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philosophical investigations philosophical investigations christopher robinson joseph duemer read wittgenstein s philosophical investigations 7 24 2003 i haven t abandoned the project in fact i have just reread the series of remarks in the 80s will have some more to say about them tomorrow after i have read through your comments the sign post is in order if under normal circumstance it fulfills its purpose but there is no final founded reality to be ascribed to the sign post posted by joseph duemer 7 20 pm 0 comments 3 27 2003 checking in again chris sorry to have let this dropped as a poet i have to believe that the actual leaf is more real than the abstracted leaf i early on adopted blake s hatred of abstraction i d argue that it s a species of abstraction that got our country into this stupid bloody war in iraq posted by joseph duemer 5 16 pm 0 comments 3 05 2003 sidestepping materialism idealism is one of the things that makes wittgenstein so austere i appreciate the rigor but let s talk about abstraction when we ab stract the general picture of all leaves the resulting image is certainly real has an ontological relationship to a particular leaf it is the nature of that relationship that interests me blake wrote that genius is in minute particulars by genius i think he meant something like life am i only making a commonsense distinction between the abstract image the particular object i ve always had the sense that the chair i m sitting on as i type would hold my weight more effectively that plato s ideal chair in a few minutes i m going to go crawl into a bed constructed of birch logs snuggle down with a little terrier when you say virtual reality do you mean something platonic let s do a thought experiment we re on the holodeck of the enterprise we call up a country scene with grass trees a path beside a river let s say we re walking with a terrier a lab i take it that you re suggesting that functionally there ain t no difference between that place my patch of south colton where i walk my dogs what is the relationship between the hologdogs my specific dogs sorry if these questions smack of sophomore bull sessions but i want to get clear here try to understand where wittgenstein comes down on these essentially ontological questions posted by joseph duemer 6 29 pm 0 comments 3 03 2003 i went back last night re read all the remarks in the 70s was struck by the example of the leaves it is a problem i have posed to my own students when talking about plato in the fall shortly after coming to clarkson i found myself walking with my old dog mingo by the river thinking about how to teach plato s euthyphro i ve long been troubled by the tendency of idealism to erase the actual world i m something of an empiricist at heart always have loved science so w s illustration of the leaves caught me more forcefully than that of the blurred picture you could digitalize a million leaves of all kinds program a computer to scan the outlines of all of them produce a general figure i d guess that you d arrive at something vaguely ovoid but what would you know after such an exercise posted by joseph duemer 6 45 pm 0 comments 2 27 2003 you got to walk that lonesome highway you got to walk it by yourself there s a whole cluster of folksongs hymns that take up this theme of the individual confronted by meaningless nature the solution rejected by wittgenstein is usually some exterior force a god or an ideology and this leaves the traveller even more alone posted by joseph duemer 6 21 pm 0 comments 2 26 2003 all right glad to see you back for the moment just a brief response i ve been thinking about two sorts of things recently 1 the way that what we call the self is a provisional ongoing process 2 the way the personal works in poetry particularly 20th century poetry the only one of your statements 79 that gives me any pause at all is the first one then only because that information about your work with the dying is that it may not be common knowledge among your friends to someone who does not know you very well your statement would present problems of verification perhaps in your humility you don t make this practice of yours public as for the others my wife is the most beautiful woman i have ever seen but that doesn t mean i won t accept your statement both statements can be true it is delimited by the first person pronoun anyone with a wife will know what you mean this turns out to be more interesting that i first thought in the case of bench pressing i could as you say drag you to the gym make you prove it but there is also a common sense objection you don t look like a weight lifter more anon posted by joseph duemer 7 11 pm 0 comments 2 03 2003 so how did analytic philosophy become post analytic it certainly did not come about through the work of continental philosophers they were mostly ignored and by and large were content to explore continental philosophy rather than engage in criticisms of the mechanistic research programme hence the development of the analytic continental divide philosophy com posted by joseph duemer 4 20 pm 0 comments about me name joseph duemer location south colton ny united states view my complete profile previous posts i haven t abandoned the project in fact i have j checking in again chris sorry to have let this d sidestepping materialism idealism is one of the i went back last night re read all the remarks i you got to walk that lonesome highway you got t all right glad to see you back for the moment ju so how did analytic philosophy become post analyti yes i felt a bit stale too sometimes it makes se josh blog someone else interested in wittgenstein part ii well chris we have taken a fairly long archives 12 01 2001 01 01 2002 01 01 2002 02 01 2002 02 01 2002 03 01 2002 03 01 2002 04 01 2002 04 01 2002 05 01 2002 05 01 2002 06 01 2002 06 01 2002 07 01 2002 07 01 2002 08 01 2002 08 01 2002 09 01 2002 09 01 2002 10 01 2002 10 01 2002 11 01 2002 11 01 2002 12 01 2002 01 01 2003 02 01 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