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کل همین است در لحظه ای که به این نتیجه برسیم که آمریکا رویکرد خود را تغییر داده و به جای دیکته کردن آماده یک مذاکره واقعی و یک توافق منصفانه و متوازن است ما هم آماده خواهیم بود آنگاه می توانیم آن را بررسی کنیم the economist i know you don t want to go into the details of what has been negotiated with steve witcoff but the basic disagreement is whether you do any enrichment of uranium is your position still we must می دانم نمی خواهید وارد جزئیات مذاکراتتان با استیو ویتکاف شوید اما اختلاف اصلی این است که آیا ایران غنی سازی اورانیوم انجام دهد یا نه آیا موضع شما همچنان همان است mr araghchi well yes you know at that time the us wanted zero enrichment and i made it clear for steve witkoff that this is impossible the enrichment has been very costly for us for more than 20 years we were sanctioned because of that and this is a very valuable achievement of our own scientists we haven t imported enrichment and its facilities and its machines we have created them we have achieved it by ourselves and we were sanctioned because of that for more than 20 years and our scientists were assassinated so there is the blood of our scientists over that even before this war and now we have had a very extensive war for 12 days more than a thousand iranians were killed because of that so there is no way to give up enrichment in iran this is a fact می دانید در آن زمان آمریکا خواهان غنی سازی صفر بود من برای استیو ویتکاک روشن کردم که این غیرممکن است غنی سازی بیش از 20 سال برای ما بسیار پرهزینه بوده است ما به همین دلیل تحریم شدیم غنی سازی دستاورد بسیار ارزشمند دانشمندان خودمان است ما تأسیسات مهم غنی سازی و توسعه های مرتبط را داریم ما آن ها را خودمان ساخته ایم خودمان آن ها را به دست آورده ایم و به خاطر همین موضوع بیش از 20 سال تحریم شدیم دانشمندان ما ترور شدند بنابراین این موضوع با خون دانشمندان ما گره خورده است حتی قبل از این جنگ اکنون 12 روز جنگ بسیار گسترده داشته ایم بیش از هزار ایرانی در نتیجه آن کشته شده اند پس هیچ راهی برای کنار گذاشتن غنی سازی وجود ندارد این یک واقعیت است during the negotiation steve witkoff insisted on zero enrichment and i said look zero enrichment is impossible but zero weapon is possible if you want us to go for zero nuclear weapons we have a deal you want zero enrichment we don t have a deal and then we tried to be creative and find a compromise solution and at least three times we came to a good creative solution which could make both sides happy but unfortunately he couldn t deliver it in washington در مذاکرات استیو ویتکاک بر صفر شدن غنی سازی اصرار داشت من گفتم ببینید غنی سازی صفر غیرممکن است اما سلاح هسته ای صفر ممکن و در دسترس است اگر می خواهید به سمت سلاح صفر برویم توافق داریم اگر غنی سازی صفر می خواهید توافق نداریم سپس تلاش کردیم خلاق باشیم و یک راه حل مصالحه پیدا کنیم حداقل سه بار به یک راه حل خوب و خلاقانه رسیدیم که می توانست هر دو طرف را راضی کند اما متأسفانه آن ها نتوانستند آن را نهایی کنند او نتوانست آن را در واشنگتن ارائه دهد the economist is iran currently enriching uranium in practice or are you at the stage of zero enrichment شما گفته اید که اسرائیل به میز مذاکره حمله کرد آیا این بدان معناست که شما هنوز به دستیابی به توافق با دولت ترامپ پس از پایان یافتن پرونده در شورای امنیت سازمان ملل متحد امیدوار هستید mr araghchi we are not enriching because our facilities have been attacked so there are many risks so it is now stopped ما غنی سازی نمی کنیم چون تأسیسات ما مورد حمله قرار گرفته و خطرات زیادی وجود دارد بنابراین اکنون متوقف شده است ببینید یکی از راه حل هایی که احتمال داشت در دور ششم مورد توافق قرار گیرد این بود که اگر به توافقی با آمریکا دست پیدا کنیم دیگر نیازی به ارجاع موضوع به شورای امنیت نخواهد بود اما در همان لحظه ای که آن ها میز مذاکره را بر هم زدند یعنی اسرائیلی ها و حامیانشان در ایالات متحده آن ها فضایی بسیار ناخوشایند ایجاد کردند که اجازه نداد بتوانیم به توافق برسیم یا مذاکرات را ادامه دهیم بله ما طرفدار دیپلماسی هستیم اما دیپلماسی نیازمند یک فضای مناسب یک فضای سیاسی درست و قابل اعتماد است بنابراین این آمریکا و اسرائیل بودند که آن فضا را تخریب کردند تا زمانی که آن فضای مناسب ایجاد نشود ما نمی توانیم گفت وگو کنیم نمی توانیم مذاکره کنیم the economist the iaea is consistently asked for access to all of iran s existing nuclear sites you so far have said no can you envisage a time when you open all your sites to nuclear inspectors mr araghchi as a matter of fact we have to accept and the iaea has already accepted that the situation has changed on the ground we asked the agency whether there is any protocol any regulation to inspect an attacked nuclear facility and there is no protocol like that because there is no precedent no safeguarded peaceful nuclear facility has been attacked so far so there is no precedent on how to inspect them after the attack obviously there are security risks there are safety risks there is unexploded material rockets and things like that there is the risk of radiation there are still threats by the us that if anybody approached those facilities they would attack so we need a modality how to inspect those facilities and we tried to achieve that modality when i went to cairo and rafael grossi also came to cairo and we made a cairo agreement in the cairo agreement we divided iran s nuclear facilities into two categories those who have been attacked those who have not been attacked for the un attacked facilities there is business as usual and they have been able to visit and inspect of course we have a new law in our parliament adopted by our parliament which makes a new way to do inspection but it doesn t make it impossible so for un attacked facilities business as usual they have inspected and rafael grossi mentioned that in his latest report in vienna for attacked facilities we need to negotiate and raphael has accepted that we need to negotiate how to inspect those facilities but unfortunately right after the cairo argument the e3 and the us decided to go to the un security council and activate the snapback and now the board of governors are introducing a new draft resolution against iran so it is e3 and the us who are making this job difficult and impossible otherwise we would be ready to co operate with the agency the economist can i ask about a third possible category there was a suspicion that some of the enriched uranium was removed from the sites before the attacks mr araghchi no that did not happen the economist you can say that categorically mr araghchi no all of our enriched material are under the rubble they have not been recovered yet and we don t have any intention to recover them before we come to that modality with the agency the economist how prepared are you if there were a follow on israeli attack on iran mr araghchi we are even more prepared than the previous war the economist can you elaborate in what way are you prepared mr araghchi our missiles are in a better position quantity wise and quality wise we have learned many lessons during the 12 day war we understood our weak points and our points of strength and the israelis weak points we have worked on all of them and we are fully prepared even better than the previous time it doesn t mean that we want war as you know the best way to prevent a war is to be prepared for that and we are fully prepared and i don t think they would dare to repeat the same mistake and the same failed experience the economist are your people prepared it was striking in the last war that iranians unlike israelis didn t have shelters to go to there were very few warnings your skies were exposed what are the assurances you can give your own population that this time they are protected mr araghchi as i said we have learned our lessons the economist can i ask you whether the actions of the united states and israel and you mentioned europe are pushing iran to have a closer relationship with russia and china are you turning eastwards because of what s been happening mr araghchi well that has been an important factor our policy has always been to have balanced relations with both east and west we want to be a truly independent country not relying on any other country whether in the west or east but we have to acknowledge that it was the western countries who actually made us understand that china and russia are better friends than them the economist one signal that you could send about your readiness to look at new possibilities in the region would be over the latest un security council resolution on trump s 20 point plan for gaza is this a resolution that iran accepts or does it take the position of hamas that it is unacceptable mr araghchi our position is clear obviously we welcome any decision any move which can stop the genocide in gaza which can stop the killing of palestinians in gaza which can open the way for humanitarian assistance which can help peace in that region and the reconstruction of the damaged places but at the same time we have our own concerns and these are real concerns we think that the rights for self determination of palestinians have been actually undermined by this resolution and has been seriously ignored the right of palestinians for statehood and having their own state is very weak in the language of that resolution it has made palestinians somehow under the guardianship of a group of other countries even the role of the security council and the united nations is weakened and undermined and many other points so we have our own concerns but at the same time we don t object to anything which can actually stop the suffering of palestinians the economist one of the points in that plan is that all sides should accept to live at peace with the other and to have a two state solution to the israeli palestinian conflict is that a position that iran can endorse mr araghchi actually it is up to the palestinians themselves to accept this resolution or not we just express our opinion the economist can i ask you about your relationships in the region and how they are changing it seems that you have a rapprochement with saudi arabia in the last couple of years and also your ability to shape the region has been reduced because of the impact on hizbullah and hamas and others what is the future of iran within this region are you changing the nature of your power here mr araghchi iran is a major player in this region no doubt about that iran is a big country with certain capabilities and we have tried to establish a very good neighbourly policy with all of the countries in the region in the persian gulf area and in the middle east except israelis that we don t recognise and i think we have been quite successful in our approach to the countries of the region we have been able to rebuild confidence especially with saudi arabia and also with others with egypt with jordan with each and every country i have travelled to all of them in the past 12 months even to bahrain with whom we don t have relations to egypt i think three four times and we have tried to build confidence and to make sure that they don t misunderstand the real threat of the region i think netanyahu has made so many crimes he is responsible for genocide killings and everything but he has done something positive at the same time he made crystal clear for each and every country in the region that the real threat is israel and not iran and this is the real lesson that every country in the region learned after they attacked us and qatar in the past two years israel has attacked seven countries in this region and has killed more than 70 000 people in gaza and elsewhere so it s now obvious for everyone in the region who is the real threat the economist is israel the hegemon in the region mr araghchi obviously it s trying to be the hegemon in the region but i don t think that the region can digest that the economist we were comparing africa and the middle east it seems that people in africa can accept the colonial carve up of the continent they ve come to terms with borders they ve found some way of living in peace within each other s borders but the middle east seems incapable of moving on can you imagine an age where the countries of the middle east can live at peace with each other israel included mr araghchi let s put israel aside because i don t think it belongs to this region but i think the countries of this region can live in peace there are many commonalities amongst all of them but the only problem is the foreign interference especially in the security of this region and we believe that the moments that foreign forces have left this region we would be in a better position to work with each other and live with each other in peace the economist maybe it is a nice dream that foreign interference will stop but probably it will not can you state again what would be your main message to donald trump what should he do now to avoid worse trouble in this region what would your main messages be to donald trump today mr araghchi it is interesting that you yourself admit that foreign interference in this region exists so this is the main source of the problem in the middle east the message to all foreign powers is just to leave this region alone and let the countries of this region decide for themselves the economist one last question about iranians abroad you have millions of iranians living in the west and countries around the world they are anxious to maintain ties with their country of origin but they are very afraid about coming back to iran because they fear that they could be subject to arrest or their families could be subject to intimidation what assurance can you give them if any that iran is safe for them to return mr araghchi my understanding is different from yours every year we have hundreds of thousands of iranians living outside the country who visit their homeland yes there are a few who have faced problems here because of the previous problems that they had inside the country but the number is very very limited of course there are lots of noises about that lots of perhaps a negative atmosphere created mostly by media but in reality as the figures on the borders prove there are millions of iranians who visit their homeland every year but i do accept that we have to work more to make them more comfortable when they decide to come back to iran we have to confront the negative atmosphere which has been created mostly by media outside of iran the economist we are fascinated in europe about the relationship between iran and russia and we know that the war in ukraine and iran gave some help to russia which is a form perhaps of foreign interference what is your current relationship with russia mr araghchi we have signed an agreement for a strategic partnership it was signed last year between the two presidents iran and russia have always enjoyed very good relations they have been very helpful to us in many different directions and we have enjoyed co operation in many different fields including on military questions we never accepted the aggression to ukraine this is what i have to emphasise we always supported the sovereignty 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