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ts and the cities of the nations fell and great babylon was remembered before god to give her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath this is from john s description of the seventh bowl the great city as we already saw was jerusalem the cities of the nations fell the downfall of the nation of galilee in 67 ad can be seen mostly in the war of the jews book 3 in the previous section we saw that vespasian subdued the entire nation of perea in the spring of 68 ad then in the summer of 68 ad vespasian was at caesarea ready to march directly to jerusalem when he learned that nero had died in june 68 ad so vespasian waited there for almost a year wars 4 9 2 in the meantime though another nation fell that was the nation of idumea but it was at the hands of simon bar giora a jewish zealot leader he first laid waste the whole country of idumea attacking hebron ravaging cities and villages and making idumea like a desert wars 4 9 7 then he compelled a great number of the idumeans to retire to jerusalem he followed them himself also to the city josephus said he was a greater terror to the people than the romans themselves but the zealots in jerusalem were even more heavy upon the people than simon and the romans wars 4 9 10 so amazingly simon was invited into jerusalem the people made joyful acclamation to him as their savior and their preserver thinking he would save them from the madness of the zealots however simon bar giora looked upon them all as his enemies wars 4 9 11 in april 69 ad simon got possession of jerusalem wars 4 9 12 soon the stage would be set for jerusalem to be divided into three factions but first we ll take note of more cities that fell in may june 69 ad vespasian marched against those places of judea which were not yet overthrown sparing only herodium masada macherus and jerusalem which were controlled by the zealots wars 4 9 9 he paused his campaign again however when he learned that vitellus had become emperor of rome wars 4 10 2 in december 69 ad he was named emperor of rome wars 4 11 4 5 and his son titus was dispatched to besiege jerusalem wars 4 11 5 and wars 5 1 1 here s a simple table of nations that fell from 67 ad to mid 69 ad this is not exhaustive nations that fell time period conqueror galilee 67 ad vespasian and titus romans perea spring 68 ad vespasian idumea late 68 ad early 69 ad simon bar g iora jewish zealot judea most of it may june 69 ad vespasian jerusalem divided into three parts in wars 5 1 1 and wars 5 1 4 josephus described the conditions in jerusalem in december 69 ad t he sedition at jerusalem was revived and parted into three factions and that one faction fought against the other one should not mistake if he called it a sedition begotten by another sedition and to be like a wild beast grown mad which for want of food from abroad fell now upon eating its own flesh and now there were three treacherous factions in the city the one parted from the other eleazar ben simon and his party that kept the sacred first fruits came against john levi of gischala in their cups those that were with john plundered the populace and went out with zeal against simon bar giora so this is a very clear fulfillment of john s words that the great city jerusalem was divided into three parts revelation 16 19 it s also a flashback to jerusalem s earlier destruction in 586 bc in ezekiel 5 1 12 we see that ezekiel was required to shave his head and divide it into three parts and god told him this is jerusalem verse 5 one third of his hair was burned one third was chopped up by the sword and the last third was scattered into the wind case study 8 revelation 16 21 and great hail from heaven fell upon men every hailstone about the weight of a talent and men blasphemed god because of the plague of the hail since that plague was exceedingly great this is also from john s description of the seventh bowl compare this to the following description of large stones catapulted over the wall in jerusalem by the tenth roman legion in may 70 ad wars 5 6 3 the engines that all the legions had ready prepared for them were admirably contrived but still more extraordinary ones belonged to the tenth legion now the stones that were cast were of the weight of a talent and were carried two furlongs and further the blow they gave was no way to be sustained not only by those that stood first in the way but by those that were beyond them for a great space as for the jews they at first watched the coming of the stone for it was of a white color and could therefore not only be perceived by the great noise it made but could be seen also before it came by its brightness accordingly the watchmen that sat upon the towers gave them notice when the engine was let go and the stone came from it and cried out aloud in their own country language the stone cometh so those that were in its way stood off and threw themselves down upon the ground by which means and by their thus guarding themselves the stone fell down and did them no harm but the romans contrived how to prevent that by blacking the stone who then could aim at them with success when the stone was not discerned beforehand as it had been till then and so they destroyed many of them at one blow so john saw hailstones weighing a talent falling from the sky over jerusalem and josephus describes white stones weighing a talent being catapulted into the city a talent was 75 100 pounds according to william whiston s famous translation of the works of josephus the watchmen shouted the son cometh rather than the stone cometh j stuart russell in his 1878 book the parousia p 482 pointed out that it was only eight years before this in 62 ad that as james was being martyred he cried out that the son of man was about to come in the clouds of heaven so russell speculated that the watchmen gave this cry in mockery of the christian hope of the parousia these large stones were actually discovered in an archaeological dig during the last year see here and here for articles on this find including photos of the stones case study 9 revelation 17 12 16 and the ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as of yet but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast these are of one mind and they will give their power and authority to the beast these will make war with the lamb and the lamb will overcome them and the ten horns which you saw on the beast these will hate the harlot make her desolate and naked eat her flesh and burn her with fire as i mentioned earlier until a few months ago i believed that the beast in revelation was rome and nero i assumed that the 10 horns must have been the 10 senatorial provinces of rome working with nero to persecute christians and to capture and burn jerusalem in 70 ad when i started to rethink this subject one thing i discovered is that when titus overthrew jerusalem in 70 ad he did not have leaders or representatives of those 10 provinces with him he didn t even have 10 legions with him instead he had four legions the 5 th 10 th 12 th and 15 th legions wars 5 1 6 then i was surprised to discover that josephus listed exactly 10 high priests and religious leaders in israel who were given authority as generals in december 66 ad three of them were even killed by the zealots in early 68 ad fulfilling daniel 7 8 20 24 here s a quick summary of what led up to the selection of those 10 generals more details can be seen in this article josephus says that the jewish roman war officially began in august 66 ad when eleazar the son of ananias the high priest who was at that time governor of the temple persuaded those that officiated in the divine service to receive no gift or sacrifice for any foreigner they used this new law to reject the sacrifice of caesar wars 2 17 2 they also massacred a roman garrison stationed at the antonia fortress on the east side of jerusalem wars 2 17 7 in november 66 ad cestius gallus brought the 12th legion to put down the jewish rebellion surprisingly his army suffered about 5 700 deaths his weapons and supplies were stolen during an ambush they retreated on november 22nd and the jewish rebels chased and killed many of them over the next five days the jewish temple leaders knew that a full scale roman revenge was inevitable so they got together in great numbers in the temple and appointed a great many generals for the war here s a list of the territories they were to oversee in preparation for war with rome wars 2 20 3 4 joseph the son of gorion governor of jerusalem ananus the high priest governor of jerusalem jesus the son of sapphias one of the high priests idumaea eleazar the son of ananias the high priest idumaea niger the then governor of idumea idumaea joseph the son of simon jericho manasseh perea john the esscue toparchy of thamna lydda was also added to his portion and joppa and emmaus john the son of matthias toparchies of gophnitica and acrabattene josephus the son of matthias both the galilees gamala also which was the strongest city in those parts was put under his command the three generals who were killed by the zealots in fulfillment of daniel 7 8 20 24 were 1 ananus ben ananus 2 niger of perea and 3 joseph ben gorion their deaths are recorded in wars 4 5 2 and wars 4 6 1 how did these horns make war with the lamb in a nutshell jesus made war against the harlot great city jerusalem and he used the roman army as his instrument see matthew 22 7 the zealots and those who were aligned with them fought desperately to maintain power over jerusalem and to gain independence for israel this question is addressed further here how did they turn on the harlot make her desolate eat her flesh and burn her with fire they were assigned to idumea jericho perea galilee jerusalem etc during the jewish roman war jerusalem became more and more isolated as rome captured galilee perea and other places many people made their way to jerusalem and presumably these generals did the same josephus of course was captured we already saw the quote from wars 5 1 1 where josephus described the sedition in jerusalem and the civil war between the zealot factions as a wild beast grown mad which for want of food from abroad fell now upon eating its own flesh josephus also repeatedly blamed the jews especially the zealots for the fire that burned jerusalem and the temple in wars 6 4 5 he said t hese flames took their rise from the jews themselves and were occasioned by them in wars 6 6 2 he records a speech given by titus in which he said to the zealots you have set fire to your holy house with your own hands josephus made similar statements in wars 5 4 4 wars 6 2 9 and other places conclusion based on these case studies i would like to tentatively suggest that the seals trumpets and bowls were structured in this way seals from 66 ad or earlier to 70 ad trumpets from early 67 ad to early 68 ad zealot siege bowls from spring 68 ad to 70 ad to use an arm as an analogy the seals would stretch from the shoulder to the fingers the trumpets would stretch from the shoulder to the elbow the elbow would represent the zealot siege of early 68 ad and the bowls would stretch from the elbow to the fingers this presentation represents an ongoing study as there are more parallels between the book of revelation and josephus that are not included here those who listen to or read this presentation are welcome to evaluate these case studies and this tentative conclusion share this share on x opens in new window x share on facebook opens in new window facebook share on pinterest opens in new window pinterest email a link to a friend opens in new window email share on reddit opens in new window reddit share on tumblr opens in new window tumblr like loading 05 steven tanton the myth of the israel church distinction october 18 2016 october 18 2016 adam maarschalk leave a comment on september 22 2016 the 5th monthly fulfilled prophecy conference took place hosted by jordan hardgrave and featuring pastor steven tanton as the main speaker steven lives in tallahassee florida with his wife and children steven s message was titled the myth of the israel church distinction here s the audio of his message 52 minutes followed by his notes please feel free to share your thoughts and questions in the comment section below proverbs 18 17 the first one to plead his cause seems right until his neighbor comes and examines him let s be good neighbors and examine the dispensational idea that the church and true israel are two distinct entities we struggle with the issue of who true israel is because of what dispensationalism has done to western christianity the fundamental point in regards to understanding dispensationalism is educating yourself with its literal hermeneutic all other beliefs within the system are rooted in its literal interpretation of scripture but what does that mean ryrie dispensationalism today p 86 ryrie says the literal method principle of interpretation gives to every word the same meaning it would have in normal usage whether employed in writing speaking or thinking in other words if it says certain promises are made to israel in the ot then the promises have to be fulfilled to literal ethnic israel before one ever opens the bible they predetermined to use this interpretation method regardless of what the apostles or jesus have to say on the matter there is no room for jesus or his apostles to bring the ot promise into focus or sharpen what the ot prophecies ultimately meant the dispensational system has rigged the game of what the bible can mean and what it can t mean the word israel was used in several different ways in the bible over 2500 times it stood for a man jacob it refers to jacob s family the whole 12 tribes are called israel an ethnic people there is a physical land called israel it refers to the state a political institution there are times when israel referred to a segment within israel that is within ethnic israel there was a faithful remnant e g romans 9 6 for they are not all israel who are of israel the bible does not view people from the perspective of race but rather regards them as the seed of abraham and heirs according to the promise on the basis of relationship even in the ot we see the idea that not all israel was true israel exodus 12 38 egyptians and possibly other nations of people made the trip to mount sanai rahab ruth esther 8 17 how does one just become a jew if it is based on physical birth in the nt it becomes clear to the bible student that race does not qualify one for special privileges with god first we see christ is true israel and the true seed matthew 2 15 isaiah 42 all scattered on the night of the cross but one faithful jew jesus he was the faithful remnant john 8 29 galatians 3 16 jesus is clearly the seed gal 3 27 29 gal 3 7 paul understood jesus to be the seed and he also understood individual believers to be the seed romans 9 gal 4 28 how are we like isaac because if god didn t supernatura...