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of thought action october 2007 of thought action public or something like it tuesday october 09 2007 of thought articulation so the last post spoke about how the first great in a field is not its greatest exponent ever and how many people frequently confuse the two it s amusing to know the other things that people often confuse yours truly is an eternal optimist i am even optimistic about indian politics so i don t think i need to further explain my case however it appears that some of my classmates have no hesitation in calling me a pessimist on deeper thought and exploration it turns out that this is so because i am generally hard to please especially with respect to the level of cp class participation usually semi sensical things uttered by mba students who are in peretual gd mode in class ok people let s clear this cynical and critical are not synonyms similarly abstract and absurd are not the same what is abstract need not be absurd what is absurd need not be abstract the proof of the first part is recursively contained in itself for the proof of the second part let s think of an absurdity that is definite the sun will rise in the west tomorrow for e g q e d and all that jazz posted by ritwik at 3 47 am 2 comments tarana e watan slight reprise reference to context this gaurav asserts that a lout a thief who believes strongly in the idea of india and stands up for vande matram is a better indian than an impeccable polished law abiding citizen who doesn t care too much about the nation in the dictator s world a nation is nothing but an idea and thus anyone who refuses to believe in the idea is actually detrimental to the national identity the second half of his post is largely something that one agrees with but this initial assertion has to be rebutted a nation is indeed an idea but ideas have no independent existence they are solely dependent on the people who hold them the idea is glorious nay even credible only if the people who believe in it are taken care of a nation is an idea but it is not just an idea one could speak of the common culture food geography language etc but in a nation like india these are so distinct and numerous that they are superficial and inadequate proxies there is exactly one concrete marker of a nation and that is its current constituents india is a lot of things to a lot of people but to me it is primarily the people who inhabit the nation today and more pertinently the people who identify themselves as indians the strength of their belief in the idea of india is of low consequence to me one could argue that the individual s safety is dependent upon the group s as gaurav does or one could argue that the group s safety is nothing but the safety of each one of it s individual members this top down vs bottom up approach to individuals and groups can be discussed ad infinitum i believe there is one critical aspect that such a discussion ignores an individual and his her freedom are well defined and often static entities a group is only a template a nation is a group so is a gender so is a religion a caste a state an ethnicity an instiution and even a dorm within an insitution an individual as amartya sen beautifully explains in the first few pages of idenity and violence is at the very least an intersection of these various groups i am an indian a hindu a bihari etc which one group s safety is most important for my safety what is the correct level of granularity at which it becomes undesirable to express one s allegiance to a group virulently every group has contributed to my identity which ones have the right to demand a compromise on my freedom what is the priority order of these groups in their claims on my freedom one could also argue that status quo dictates that believing in a strong nation has near universal acceptance and hence a nation has the first claim that would be an argument hard to beat on the basis of current data but to argue that it is this aspect of the status quo that needs to be perpetuated would take either a leap of faith or a rational justification on some grounds would it be possible to evaluate essentially irrational choices on the basis of utilitarian grounds i am a liberal and i am a nationalist india has the first claim on my freedom but there is no rational reason for this choice i would be hard pressed to explain why it is not hinduism my religion or bihar my native place or gujarat my state of domicile or the kayasthas my caste or indeed the entire male brotherhood of the world if one regards the i do not want to sing vande matram indian as a threat to the idea of india should one also regard the i do not want to sit for the satyanarayan pooja hindu as a threat to the idea of hindusim a nation is not just an idea it is primarily the people who identify with the allegiance to the idea the thief when he commits a crime against an individual in the nation an act that the nation does not permt him to commit betrays the nation no amount of symbolic respect to the nation s idea absolves him of this betrayal to me as well there is no dilemma the man disrespectful of the indian flag but respectful of her citizens is a far better indian than the vande matram loving lout one does not disrespect a nation only by disrespecting the flag when one spits where one is not supposed to one disrespects the nation too somebody else a fellow country man will have to come and clean it it would be rather fraudulent then to claim that one s respect for the national anthem makes up for the lack of respect for another indian s dignity and a lack of respect for the conditions required for the country s efficiency it amuses me that the dictator proudly proclaims to be a hindutva fascist it would be interesting to know if he also subscribes to the following descriptions male chauvinist and kayastha supremacist reverse snobbery is the easiest game to play p s people who are wondering about the obvious jimi hendrix reference in the title of the post must know that i m not exactly the man s greatest fan i mean sure he was great revolutionary blah blah but to claim that he was the greatest guitarist ever one might as well say that w g grace was the greatest batsman ever first great greatest p p s which is not to say that he wasn t great either if you are not a fan of his rendition of all along the watchtower you haven t the foggiest idea about hard rock guitar p p p s with reference to the last line of the p s yes i am a computer engineer by training posted by ritwik at 2 26 am 3 comments newer posts older posts home subscribe to posts atom stats src gostats hit counter blog archive 2013 6 november 1 april 3 february 1 january 1 2012 14 november 1 october 2 september 1 august 6 july 1 april 1 march 2 2011 7 october 2 september 1 august 1 june 2 march 1 2010 7 march 1 february 2 january 4 2009 9 november 2 october 1 september 3 april 2 march 1 2008 13 november 1 october 8 september 1 january 3 2007 43 december 3 november 7 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