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august 2008 the tech journal the tech journal all about tech home about jump to navigation paypal supports fraud august 10 2008 posted by rjdohnert in 1 3 comments i sold an sgi pentium machine on ebay recently one of the extras i had laying around it didnt have an hd but upon testing and using a livecd distribution everything worked and i shipped the item when the buyer received the item he was happy with his purchase he left positive feedback and that was the end not so the buyer emcva francisco diangelo ebay user rezy144 16 days later filed a claim with paypal stating the machine was improperly packaged of course which was a lie because i used secure foam and the machine was packed very tightly then he claimed the machine wouldnt power on which also a lie so i challenged it i provided paypal with all information the e mails that the buyer sent on july 10 2008 that everything was working fine feedback and the fact that after the receive date i didn t receive any e mails or notice from rezy regarding anything about the machine i even had to explain to paypal about a bootable linux distribution and what it could do you would think that with all that mountain of evidence paypal would be siding with the seller wrong he has to ship the machine back to me in the original condition and they gave him a full refund now according to the operator if i can resell that machine on ebay then i can do that but if he sends it back to me in the original condition that means that it would work fine so why in the bloody bluest blazes of hell would he ship it back either way its fraud so basically paypal is supporting the buyer defrauding a seller i sent them evidence that the buyer was happy it was shipped in a good working condition as one of my employees was one who also tested and verified the machine yet they still provided a refund because he used the words that he knew would get him a refund item didnt work as described so in the world of ebay and paypal the seller is immediately the bad guy you get no support update after receiving the machine back it doesn t power on at all and there were components missing ie no processor which would explain why the machine wouldn t come on the machine shipped with a processor fyi if you are going to screw someone make sure you ship all the parts back to the seller im actually considering criminal charges against the buyer for fraud my lawyer already told me its something i can pursue despite the 50 00 price tag obtaining property by false pretenses is a felony and property can be monetary or physical property i m also considering a civil action against him and paypal as co defendants update 2 september 4 2008 after filing a complaint with the state attorney generals office paypal has refunded the 50 00 and paid my attorneys fees so that leaves mr frank diangelo from emcva now as my lawyer has advised me i can have him prosecuted under state law for obtaining property by false pretenses which i will reiterate is a felony under nc state law but what the hell i think 1 534 views of this topic alone is embarassment enough if he tries to come after me civily whether paypal goes after him for the money i have 2 years to prosecute him either way im happy i thank paypal as they did the right thing search admin controls log in archives december 2008 october 2008 september 2008 august 2008 march 2008 february 2008 january 2008 december 2007 november 2007 october 2007 september 2007 august 2007 july 2007 june 2007 may 2007 april 2007 march 2007 february 2007 january 2007 december 2006 november 2006 october 2006 september 2006 august 2006 july 2006 june 2006 may 2006 april 2006 march 2006 february 2006 january 2006 december 2005 november 2005 october 2005 september 2005 august 2005 july 2005 june 2005 may 2005 april 2005 march 2005 february 2005 january 2005 december 2004 november 2004 october 2004 september 2004 august 2004 july 2004 june 2004 blogroll my personal blog paul thurrott blog my links channel 9 maxthon browser msn search my flickr photo account netscape browser on10 net tech journal toolbar technorati profile meta create account log in entries feed comments feed wordpress com recent posts windows 7 mccain just doesnt get it google chrome and i m a pc sabbatical over paypal supports fraud categories 1 application development interesting reads my links opinions podcasts reviews site news software reviews tech news flickr photos more photos feeds full comments create a free website or blog at wordpress com top subscribe subscribed the tech journal sign me up already have a wordpress com account log in now privacy the tech journal subscribe subscribed sign up log in report this content view site in reader manage subscriptions collapse this bar design a site like this with wordpress com get started