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phillips http www tobaccoharmreduction org faq ecigs htm the one reference for the research being used to back their claims that smokers do not require nicotine for an effective substitution is quite a strange one out of the university of east london where smokers found that nicotine free e cigarettes did alleviate cravings as successfully as regular e cigarettes but here s the kicker the subjects were smokers who typically smoked 10 or more cigarettes a day who had been deprived of smoking for just one hour and then tested 5 minutes after vaping somehow i don t think that reflects true life experience the second paragraph is much more insidious leaving aside the issue that they are linking to writing from a resource i participated in creating tobaccoharmreduction org the subtle move from saying that 1 e cigarettes are safer than cigarettes to 2 because from our product you don t get nicotine which 3 must have something to do with all those diseases you get from smoking this reminds me of the early days of e cigarette marketing when the ad copy tended to mislead consumers by harping on about being safer because they tobacco free smoke nv has positioned itself as firmly against nicotine and addiction sure their product is better than smoking but if smokers really enjoy nicotine and somehow i suspect that is the case nv products are much more likely to have them scurrying back to cigarettes than a good old nicotine delivering e cigarette would so potentially nicotine free e cigarettes in competition with regular e cigarettes could actually be harmful to public health on a more cynical note on a recent vapecast discussing the cbc show it was suggested that smoke nv was inserting itself into the market and once health canada eased up would release nicotine versions this might be more than likely following a link on a recent siegel blogpost i found myself at the tobacco vapor electronic cigarette association this is an american version of ecita uk or ecta canada an organizations that promote professionalism and compliance among its members oddly enough smoke nv is one of those members and though i have not looked through all of them the ones i have are all your average nicotine delivering e cigarette companies need i say more in summary there is nothing wrong in supplying users who want nicotine free e cigarettes they should be an option but companies like this are insinuating that by virtue of their product containing no nicotine that it is healthier and there is no real evidence for that february 19 2013 2 34 pm categories addiction e cigarettes comments 4 tagged canada ban ecita ecta smoke nv even professional harm reduction workers have issues with tobacco harm reduction ask any doctor what they would recommend if a patient of theirs who felt compelled to use a drug with proven health risks asked whether it would be better to take another drug which made them feel exactly the same but was a lot safer odds are the doctor would suggest switching now ask them about smoking and e cigarettes and the answer might change though many doctors are coming around the health community as a whole is still experiencing a bizarre disconnect when it comes to nicotine you can t even call it cognitive dissonance because they don t seem to experience any anxiety from endorsing harm reduction in general while rejecting it when it applies to smokers a few years ago at a small meeting held at one of the conferences of what used to be called the international harm reduction association i witnessed a similar occurrence which given the context was even more disturbing the meeting had arisen due to certain influential elements within the organization who wanted to eliminate tobacco harm reduction from their community it was very strange to see individuals who had supported safer sex safer drug injection practices and safe injection sites practically foaming at the mouth at the thought of promoting tobacco harm reduction one of the central objections was that one avenue of harm reduction smokeless tobacco was produced by tobacco companies and these same people who would if it improved the likelihood of safer practices collaborate with drug producers and dealers with difficult anti democratic bureaucracies and with pimps would rather cut off their own hands than join with tobacco companies to find a solution when the people who are on the front lines of the battle reject what should be contiguous with their own goals reducing the harm in risky practices you have to be concerned about the average public health official i don t want to be entirely negative here i believe the tide is turning and to a great degree because e cigarettes arose independently of the tobacco companies however the companies are buying into the e cigarette market and you can expect the objections to increase in number most of these objections will be of the just a way of maintaining nicotine addiction nature but guess what along with the independent e cigarette companies these evil folks are taking pretty well all the harm out of using nicotine the addiction was never really the issue the anti nicotine forces like to promote the idea that there is something special about smoking nicotine and tobacco companies not so smoking is just another popular behavior with some safer satisfying alternatives available nicotine is just another drug like caffeine that feels good enough to make a difference but not so good that it disrupts the rest of your life and tobacco companies are no different from any other large corporations that will do anything to keep customers february 18 2013 10 38 pm categories addiction anti smoking movement e cigarettes smokeless tobacco comments 9 bad apple studies pt 2 and josey wales too following from part 1 there is something else that is special about the winn and fda studies typically when one study becomes a standard citation it is an examplar of some sort it either represents best some aspect of the ideas being expressed or it summarizes much of the knowledge acquired to date in the field while these need not be perfect studies they should be of a fairly high caliber they do not need to be universally accepted but disagreements will tend to centre on the interpretation of the results just about anyone looking at the winn and fda studies conclude that they are methodologically unsound and if you don t trust the method how can you trust the results and yet they are presented as pillars of evidence perhaps it is better to think of them as mantras they function quite well as articles of faith words repeated by believers because these are so central to the antz messages it feels as though we have to critically respond to them time and time again when in fact they are so poor that they should be ignored were it not for the timing or their usefulness to anti nicotine forces these studies would never have caused the slightest ripple and this is where we can easily claim the superior moral ground we take these bad studies seriously enough to think about them to accept them as possible evidence both sides are guilty of assembling lists of references to support a particular position but one main difference is that pro tobacco harm reduction researchers accept that studies not supporting their position exist you won t hear a pro thr researcher denying that any study does not exist on the other hand rather than doing the work and critically engaging opposing studies antz will simply say they don t exist one lesson we can all learn from this though is that as much as we like a particular conclusion or result we should remain critical i like both coffee and alcohol and will have an immediate reaction of of course to any popular report of either of them being beneficial and an as if to any report of them being harmful to health i would like to think however that if i was professionally studying either that i would be critical of both pro and con studies and this is another reason these studies were taken up so quickly and became so persistent they supported existing views while the health effects of chewing tobacco were not certain the practice was seen as reprehensible as most people now see smoking in films the dastardly villain might be a spitter rarely the hero though see anti hero josey wales below if it is gross it must be bad for you winn played to popular sentiment and the fda study played to the folks who thought that anything that looked like smoking had to be bad for you also the reason the exploding battery made such a news splash on some level we are all looking for substantial arguments against things we dislike but can t really make a good case against its an understandable impulse but it is a luxury no one with any influence over public health should be allowed february 14 2013 12 08 am categories e cigarettes fda smokeless tobacco comments 1 e cigarettes are not banned in canada you know the old canard if it walks like a duck sounds like a duck and looks like a duck its probably a duck well what we have here in canada is the opposite though health canada acts as though there is a ban suggests there is a ban and though just about everybody in this country refers to the current situation as a ban there really is no ban e cigarettes are not a health product they are a recreational consumer good and as such do not fall under the food and drugs act nicotine replacement therapies pharmaceutical nicotine products used for the purpose of quitting smoking make therapeutic claims and therefore are covered under the act e cigarettes make no such claims despite the fact that many smokers have switched to e cigarettes vendors do not claim that their products aid cessation they also do not claim their product or nicotine has any health benefits users do make those claims but policy is based on what producers claim and how the product behaves rather than what people say it does for them for example i could be a smoker who took up scuba diving the more time i spent underwater the less i smoked after a while the desire to smoke lessened more and more and i eventually quit i could tell you that i quit smoking through scuba diving but it does not make scuba diving a quit smoking therapy granted that interpreting where e cigarettes should be categorized can be a little confusing since they are rather unique in that they are both like and unlike cigarettes smokeless nicotine products and nicotine inhalers what makes them really unique is that they deliver enough nicotine to satisfy smokers who are not trying to quit there is a strong advisory on the health canada website that has been interpreted as a ban there is also an additional document aimed at potential vendors in which you see that though they claim e cigarettes fall under their jurisdiction they refer to them as health products market authorization is granted by health canada following successful review of scientific evidence demonstrating safety quality and efficacy with respect to the intended purpose of the health product in addition the delivery system within an electronic smoking kit that contains nicotine must meet the requirements of the medical devices regulations apart from the point that you require a therapeutic claim to be made to be classified as a health product i think many vapers though they certainly believe their e cig is healthier than smoking still do not consider it a health product nor would they think of it as a medical device e cigarettes are a consumer product and as such are governed by guidelines of consumer protection safety standards product labelling quality control in many ways consumers are more fully protected there than under health canada guidelines in fact in the uk us and in canada too see the ecta site e cigarette vendors have banded together to create standards of excellence for the product and marketing guidelines no selling to minors no health claims see this ecita post on how nicotine replacement therapies would not pass the standards required of consumer products it is a british context but roughly similar to the canadian the wording of the advisory is harsh but the strongest evidence for this not being a real ban is the behavior of health canada when someone appeals one of their cease and desist letters one courageous vendor has stood up to health canada hc and remains in business on a recent vapecast this vendor who openly sells e cigarettes via a website reported on their experience with threats from hc they received cease and desist letters and said that when they asked hc for the specific law that was being broken hc would not furnish that information a little time would pass and then hc would send another letter with another argument these actions ran the gamut from cease and desist to getting customs to seize product if there was a legitimate ban in place all they would have had to do was cite the law and take the vendor down it appears that while they are saying there is a ban there really isn t the problem is that if you think there is a ban then you start acting as though there is many vendors have switched to selling non nicotine e cigarettes health canada does not seem to have a problem with those as medical devices or have simply closed their doors and though it is easy enough to say that everyone should stand up for the cause in canada almost of these companies are too small to muster the resources that they think might be required there is a lot more to say about this stay tuned this will be a recurring topic on the site bullying by health canada is depriving smokers of a safer alternative to using nicotine it is saying in no uncertain terms that smoking is the preferable route if you have a story about an experience dealing with health canada on this issue leave a comment or send me an email describing it and i will report it i am happy to keep it as anonymous as you wish february 9 2013 1 08 pm categories e cigarettes policy comments 6 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