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otts bomb threats violence at concerts ripped off for large amounts of money by labels and promoters members ending up in hospital or dying however anger can be turned into power and all the hardship can be an inspiration may 96 bart left the band which made a r a duo walter gunther working with session musicians guitarists of bands like pentacle absu katatonia swordmaster luciferian volunteered to give a r a helping hand although strongly rooted in flanders belgium ancient rites slowly turned into an international act on the third album entitled fatherland recorded february march 98 musicians from holland suomi finland germany and belgium made their contribution and the current line up is presented today a r are erik ex inquisitor guitars jan örkki ex prestige two witches lacrimosa guitars domingo ex agathocles renaissance keyboards walter drums and i gunther bass vocals recently a compilation album entitled the first decade 1989 1999 is released to celebrate the tenth anniversary of the band after a negotiation and business transaction between the labels ancient rites moved from mascot records to hammerheart records recently for which the fourth full length album shall be recorded this winter after 10 years of ar what s your inspiration for keeping on doing ar do you have any side projects danse macabre iron clad and lion s pride are perfect channels to express different musical and lyrical instincts danse macabre was created a few years ago in athens together with m w daoloth necromantia and sotiris septic flesh a 7 ep was recorded but never got released because the label danse macabre was on molon lave ceased to exist for two years the project was put on ice because sotiris had to fulfil his military service and m w daoloth did not find enough time to continue with danse macabre i did not wish d m to end this way so the moment i got introduced to ex lacrimosa guitarist jan yrlund i asked if he was interested in joining danse macabre we became a duo working with session musicians we recorded a full length album in holland and added the greek songs as bonus tracks this way the different periods in the band s history are represented and the roots and early years of the band are presented to the listener as well totentanz was released in april 98 meanwhile danse macabre turned into a real transeuropean act like ancient rites with members from suomi finland holland germany serbia yugoslavia greece austria and flanders belgium the line up consisted of merijn mol drums arik politi keyboards milos bass jan yrlund guitars antoinette backing vocals and i gunther vocals recently keyboardplayer arik moved to the states and was replaced by tom slegers known from oblivion cantar danse macabre already played a few headline shows in belgium and holland totentanz sounds like a compilation album each track has a different approach totentanz is a journey through medieval music classical gothic rock dark wave folk industrial etc recently i also founded a third band called lion s pride formerly known as division 99 music is like a tribute to my earliest youth and is ranging from old school punk to extreme hatecore and oi punk and skinhead music always have been important in my life and the do it yourself street mentality made me decide to form a band already in the late 70 s several labels already offered lion s pride a contract lyrics are misanthropic not political and often deal with everyday life issues i m also involved in a fourth band named iron clad it is a band consisting of metal veterans who still hold on to their old roots it is not just another retro band music is heavy metal and lyrics are rather epic specially dealing with medieval history these different bands give me the opportunity to use my voice in a different way and to explore topics which wouldn t fit to the concept of ancient rites a way to show different aspects of my personality i read in your homepage that you re doing an oi band as well do you think that the metal community can accept you gunther theys in an oi band do you feel that a metaller is stereotyped into liking just metal and be in a metal band only i realise there are people who dislike the fact i work on different musical fields but i refuse to limit myself metal will always be an important part of my life but why should i be narrow minded i have a huge record collection in which many styles can be found from the most amateurish noise to the most divine music a person carries so many different emotions and feelings inside to each one exists a different kind of music depending on the actual mood jan and i are not the only ones who have the need to express ourselves on different musical fields our drummer walter formed a death grind band with our keyboard player domingo who plays guitars in this band and i heard that our other guitarist erik plays in a hardrock combo together with local friends i guess these projects harm our band only when it comes to narrow minded fans who do not accept the fact we are interested in other styles we from our side always gave a r top priority and do not let all our side projects get in the way and indeed a metaller often is stereotyped as someone who only likes metal truth is in many cases that is the reality even more extreme i know many black metallers who only listen b m or heavy metallers who dislike any other form of metal etc i always listened all kinds of metal recently a few a r fans were angry on me because i was talking to a few punks and skins who were at our gig being a metal frontman they felt i had broken the rules others were upset because backstage i was wearing a blue jeans instead of a black one once i had a discussion with a heavy metal fan who couldn t understand i was wearing a tank shirt as he hated my band and b m in general he considered it impossible that someone who likes h m played in a b m band i must say that not only in metal one can find close minded people every music style has those kind of individuals for instance in the hardcore scene one can find many subgroups that hate each other as well straight edge vegan etc etc once a danse macabre fan dressed typical in a gothic way was very sad when i told him i liked kate bush as i find her voice quite witchy narrow minded people are to be found within every subculture so imagine when these people will find out about my other bands i will be crucified no probs i m used to a lot of criticism after spending so may years in different underground scenes and it doesn t interest me much also being a musician one is more easily interested in different styles i think we look at music in a slightly different way from a technical point of view we analyse music and in that process one can detect interesting appealing parts in other genres also a lot has to do with age when i was 20 i mostly listened metal only when i became older i opened my mind to other music as well normal i guess looking back thru the 10 years which song album and gig festival was is the best that you ve done would you change anything that has happened to you in the band during the last 10 years do you prefer playing in a small club or at a festival would you play every corner of the earth to spread ar s name we have toured throughout europe and the u k many times life on the road is like an adventure very unpredictable one day all is going perfectly the next nothing seems to work once we stranded in england with all our equipment and without any money food or a place to stay even that one we turned into an interesting experience often larger than life and continued touring in an alternative way in order to gain money to get back home it is kind of strange to see we draw larger crowds nowadays while in the past only very few individuals were interested in our work guess this new black metal explosion must have got a lot to do with it since specially in the beginning we received way more appreciation outside our own country we preferred to concentrate abroad nowadays our status also improved within belgian borders most of the bands we toured with we already knew personally which of course improved life on the road together when mutual respect is shown we get along with everyone no infantile rock star attitudes we toured as headliners several times but also with major acts such as deicide cradle of filth morbid angel metallica mercyful fate motörhead s o d manowar etc highlights in our career were playing the legendary marquee in london the famous thorns club at athens the very first big extreme metal fest in lisbon sponsored by coca cola and the mayor and appearing on mega metal festivals such as dynamo open air or graspop to mention a few i like playing both in small clubs and on large festivals as both have their pro s and contra s it is fascinating to see how crowds differ from country to country city to city even whenever there is some free time available after the sound check for instance i leave the venue to taste a bit of the local culture i m thrilled when i have the chance to visit museums monuments or ancient medieval remains all this keeps touring interesting it often is hard and stressful but there s a certain charm involved too intensity positive or negative is what we seek let s say personally i do not only tour to spread the band s name since i like adventure all these tours enable me to taste a bit of the rest old the world it s true that in the old days we consumed large amounts of alcohol every day and didn t bother about rest or sleep at all today we often are on tour for a longer period our music became more complex plus there are higher expectations from both press and public therefore it is important to keep a clear head none of the a r members are into drugs and alcohol abuse is not received positively when it happens before a gig each member has to keep control and a task to fulfill change anything in our history if i could turn back time i would never sign to our first record company as they ripped us off and made us lose a lot of time and money but then again there was no other choice as there were no labels around to sign a b m band even the bands were very few since it was long before the style became fashionable again osmose records were still only a tape label called strangulation distribution and were focussing on grind with blasphemous lyrics i think history would repeat itself we did a pioneering job but the time wasn t right nor was the scene ready for the style we did when we appeared on stage with paint and blood most people in the audience didn t know what was going on labels found it too extreme and others who weren t impressed compared us to kiss while we did not do it out of entertainment we opened the road for others by the time the music industry and more people became interested in b m we were stuck to this crap rip off label without a decent distribution and new better labels were created and they picked up new bands a r were not surrounded by the right people we offered something else and different but there was no record company to cultivate it or enough fanzines around we were quite isolated and therefore never completely recognized this is our biggest tragedy i think all those lost chances but we did always the best we could you ve played numerous gigs festivals over the years how would an ar concert where your headlining would be any pigs heads fire breathing in the show how about scantily clad women we are not a theatrical band in the past we used paint fire breathing and were covered with animal s blood but we did it not for glamorous reasons or to shock the crowd we really felt it all today everyone is doing it so we dropped that concept although i m proud we were one of the first to use it scantily dressed dancing women i leave to other black metal heroes it is not our style either we have returned to the basics our backdrop with logo lots of smoke few lights and five individuals on stage banging their heads off who let the energy and music do the talking the stage is not only ours as we allow the crowd to participate and sometimes i hand the microphone over to the audience who know the lyrics by heart it can happen that our guitarist or i disappear in the crowd an intense interaction is created this way rather unusual for a b m band you ve released a compilation cd of your first 10 years how difficult is it to choose the songs i find that the inclusion of intros outros in the cd making it sound like a whole album was this the desired effect personally i also would have liked to include songs from our sold out ep s because from a fan s point of view that is the most interesting also that would have offered a more complete view but the rest of the band didn t find that such a great idea as they are not satisfied any longer with the production of the ep s specially the old drum sound they find too weak i think this underproduction had its own charm and was typical for those underground cult days it s a matter of opinion they hoped that mascot would have invested in some live tracks and re recordings but the label didn t still i am pleased with the compilation as all my fave tracks are included and it is a perfect release for those who are not familiar with the band indeed the album is like a chronological travel throughout our history and when listening to the compilation it makes a whole i really love longing for the ancient kingdom what was the song about what is your definition of the ancient kingdom by the way how s fatherland doing i feel that is the best ar album of all especially the title track longing for the ancient kingdom is one of my fave tracks as well the ancient kingdom i refer to represent the ancestors yours mine a desire to return to our forefathers ways ancient pride that often seems to be lost in this modern world our latest album fatherland seems to have a bigger impact on both press and audience according to the reactions first time in the band s history we were voted album of the month in several major metal magazines such as terrorizer mind view scored very high in established metal press 95 in aardschok 9 10 in metal hammer etc entered the metal charts top 10 on national radio and even received a very positive response from non metal press mail has increased and very positive reactions are reaching us we are on tour in europe most of the time and headline tours in north and south america are in the works concert offers from asia are received and successful appearances on major open air festivals dynamo graspop fiesta du rock etc took place response is overwhelming naturally it is impossible to please everyone which never was our intention in the first place and probably there are people who prefer the old work but it remains a fact we never had such a great feedback i am pleased to know we achieved this without jumping on any bandwagon and by following our own path regardless anyone or anything we never had a management 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