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s message he begins by addressing them as the men of athens and tells them that he has perceived that they were in all things too superstitious or perhaps better rendered more religious than others he tells them verse 23 that he had seen all of their devotions or idols and sacred items he states that he had seen an altar with the inscription to the unknown god we will come back to this but i feel that we find a key to understanding verse 30 when paul speaks of this altar with it s inscription and says whom therefore ye ignorantly worship him declare i unto you then verse 24 through verse 29 paul declares the true god to these athenians paul declares him as the creator the giver of life and breath one that can not be contained in any manmade building it is good to read these verses in their entirety but i won t go through them all here but let us read verse 29 and also verse 30 again forasmuch then as we are the offspring of god we ought not to think that the godhead is like unto gold or silver or stone graven by art and man s device and the times of this ignorance god winked at but now commandeth all men everywhere to repent so what do we find here paul concludes his message of revelation of who this unknown god is by stating clearly that he is so much more that gold or silver or stone and then he states and the times of this ignorance what ignorance is he referring to let us go back to verse 23 that i said we would come back to notice again what paul says in reference to this altar with the inscription whom therefore ye ignorantly worship this ignorance in verse 30 undoubtedly is their ignorance of the true god so paul states that the times of this ignorance all the preceding time up to that moment of revelation through his message to them god winked at or overlooked he wasn t declaring them guilty of idolatry however paul continues now commandeth all men everywhere to repent repentance is to change one s mind to change the way of thinking and that can not be done until revelation and understanding comes it is now when ignorance is no longer an excuse that one must repent change the mind and way of thinking jesus gave us the same basic teaching in luke 12 verses 47 and 48 we read the conclusion of a teaching he was giving and that servant which knew his lord s will wasn t ignorant of what his lord expected and had given him to do and prepared not himself neither did according to his will shall be beaten with many stripes but he that knew not was ignorant and did commit things worthy of stripes shall be beaten with few stripes for unto whosoever much is given of him shall be much required and to whom men have committed much of him they will ask the more the one in ignorance is not held to the same accountability as the one who knows james tells us james 4 17 therefore to him that knoweth to do good and doeth it not to him it is sin while in ignorance not knowing to do good sin was not imputed however once the knowledge to do good came he was commanded to repent to change his thinking and his ways if not then it was sin paul tells us in romans 5 13 that even prior to the giving of the old covenant there was sin in the world however since his law was not codified and written down that sin was not imputed or charged to the individuals account but once the covenant was made and he had given his laws written them on tables of stone the people were no longer in ignorance when they sinned transgressed those laws he declared them guilty that sin was imputed and put to their account by god s wonderful grace we have our sins and unrighteousness winked at while in our ignorance but when revelation comes then he commands us to repent change our thinking and actions john tells us in revelation 12 9 that the devil the adversary has deceived the whole world that includes you and me we may not all be in the same deception you may have received revelation that i have not yet received i may have been given insight and revelation in areas that you are still in deception are still in blindness god is winking or overlooking my ignorance and your ignorance however once revelation comes he commands us to repent to change our way of thinking it has been my experience that when the spirit leads us into truth when we are given revelation we can become very judgmental of others who may still be in their ignorance we may begin to compare ourselves among ourselves which paul tells us is unwise and somehow begin to feel that we are somehow superior to or in some way better than others paul tells us in romans the 14th chapter that we should not be judging another if they believe and do things differently he says who art thou that judgest another man s servant our view of others should be just as god s view we need to wink at and overlook any ignorance that may be there and concentrate on truly repenting and changing our own thinking of course we may be praying for others to receive the revelation we have received but must keep in mind that it is in his due season and leave it in his hands jan 1 2020 posted by garry at 4 46 pm no comments email this blogthis share to x share to facebook share to pinterest labels acts 17 30 tuesday december 10 2019 do you believe you are born again and are going to heaven when you die i was asked this question some time ago by the pastor of a small church we were visiting he and i were visiting after the service and he asked me that question i m sure out of concern for me and my future i know that the vast majority of christians would reply with a resounding yes to both parts of that question i only answered part of his question i told him that yes i believed i was born again i didn t respond to the second part going to heaven when you die i don t know if he realized that i only partially answered his two part question but why didn t i give him an answer to the last part of his question everyone it seems within the christian faith church community believes that heaven is their destination upon death the reason i didn t give him a yes answer is because i don t see that promised anywhere in scripture i know that virtually every preacher minister bible teacher that i listen to or watch teaches and states frequently that all saved are going to be with jesus when they die but i have yet to find any teaching article booklet that they have presented to demonstrate the doctrine of going to heaven from the bible you may in your mind maybe out loud even be shouting that i m wrong a false teacher a heretic i understand your thinking most of us have been taught from childhood even if we weren t christians that the reward of the saved was life in heaven for all eternity but i ask did your teachers ever give you an in depth and detailed message or study from scripture proving that or did they occasionally refer to or quote a passage somewhere that they told you was saying that as i said earlier i can t find any such teaching or message why because frankly if one studies the bible with an open mind and without a predetermined premise the doctrine of going to heaven can t be demonstrated so then where did we get this doctrine this teaching that seems to be universal within the church thankfully there are some who have asked this question who have researched and have presented the answer in various publications articles etc that we can access on the internet i in the next few paragraphs will share just a few quotations with you one of the first articles i came across as i spent a little time searching was entitled judaism originated the idea of heaven hell this piece was written by rabbi marc gellman the senior rabbi of temple beth torah in melville new york where he has served since 1981 he has answered many questions in his newspaper column the god squad and on his tv and radio broadcasts of the same name here are a few quotes from this article judaism actually originated the ideas of heaven and hell which were absorbed and modified by christianity and later islam then just a few sentences later he says in fact it was not even judaism but the greek philosophers like aristotle who introduced the ideas of matter and form that led to the religious doctrines of heaven and hell the hebrew bible is silent on the subject but during the period following alexander the great s conquest of israel in 333 bce the period called hellenism greek thought penetrated deep into the new and emerging thought of the rabbis in a second article by rabbi gellman answering questions on the afterlife he states the judaism that made the case for heaven was rabbinic judaism not biblical judaism where the idea of a soul and of heaven is either underdeveloped or nonexistent depending on the scholarly opinion you endorse however after the rabbis encountered greek philosophy through aristotle who was the tutor of alexander the great who conquered israel in 333 bce the philosophical dualism of matter and form was transposed into the religious duality of body and soul in the next paragraph he says this enabled judaism and later christianity to enthusiastically teach that our souls survive in the world to come rabbi gellman has addressed this question in various articles for the god squad in yet another piece you can thank aristotle for the concept of the soul s life after death he states the following the pre greek bible had hebrew names that are translated as soul nefesh but the nefesh was not an immaterial essence that survived death the nefesh was more like the life within us that ended with death in the bible death is considered to be the end of us there is a biblical idea of the resurrection of the dead at the end of time but it s not a developed doctrine after aristotle however judaism became a religion that taught the existence of bodies that die and souls that live on after death in the world to come what christians came to call heaven a bit later in the article he says no single theological change even approaches the significance of the jewish christian adaptation of the greek philosophical notions of matter and form into the body and soul i came across an excerpt from a book written by lisa miller a staff writer at new york magazine former religion columnist for the washington post former senior editor of newsweek magazine the excerpt was entitled how jews invented heaven here is one paragraph it may astonish readers to know then that it was jews that invented our idea of heaven they did not invent the idea of an afterlife or the idea of heaven as the home of god those ideas had been around for thousands of yeas long before the jews ever existed as a people but the idea of heaven as we understand it a place in the sky where the righteous go after death to live forever with god that concept born to jews sometime during the second century before the birth of jesus it was if you will a theological miracle heaven at its root is a jewish idea on the website answers com the question was asked where did heaven and hell teaching originate here are a couple of points made the christian concepts of heaven and hell have their origins in several regional religions of the time including zoroastrianism and the various religions found among the greeks romans and egyptians the idea of heaven and hell came from the zoroastrian religion in 586 bce judah was annexed by babylonia and many of its people deported to babylon with no expectation of ever being able to return the jews had a high regard for the persians so it is natural that they would have been receptive to ideas from the persian religion zoroastrianism in the next paragraph we read heaven and hell as places of reward and punishment had always been part of zoroastrian belief however prior to the babylonian exile the hebrew did not believe in heaven and hell these quotations i have shared all came from short articles many were newspaper columns however longer pieces with more detail can also be located i ll share a few quotes from a couple of these as well on the website truthortradion com under the title of the origin of orthodoxy is an article entitled where did the idea originate that believers would live forever in heaven written by david rogers there is much in this article but i will only pull out a few sentences the idea that the soul or spirit is like a ghost that can separate from the body and still have consciousness and movement without the body was introduced into judaism after the babylonian captivity and came from there and other religions into christianity the idea of a disembodied living soul did not come from the text of scripture dropping down a couple of paragraphs we read once the religions of the world accepted the idea that the soul or spirit did not die when the body died the next step was to determine its post mortem address in other words where does the soul live after the body dies the answers vary from religion to religion but there are some similarities a study of the various religions of the world shows that it was and still is very common to believe that good people go either to the abode of the gods sometimes called heaven or to some wonderful place on earth while evil people go to a place of punishment or torment these beliefs eventually found their way into both judaism and christianity here are another quotation or two from this article the impact of greek religion and the greek language on the doctrine of life after death among the jews cannot be overstated alexander the great conquered israel in 332 bc as a result by 250 bc there were so many jews speaking greek many of whom could not read hebrew that it became necessary to develop a greek translation of the old testament this translation is called the septuagint it is significant that the translators chose the greek word hades to translate the hebrew word sheol in the hebrew text this choice had a very powerful impact because the souls in sheol according to scripture are all dead but the souls in hades according to homer and other greek and roman writers are all alive thus by the stroke of a translator s pen everyone throughout the old testament who had died was granted life in the grave there is much more in this article but let us move on to one more article this one entitled origins of the heavenly destiny concept is written by pastor tim warner of the oasis christian church in tampa florida and founder of the pristine faith restoration society a sub title of this article is greek mysticism gnosticism here are a few quotes where did the idea of an eternity in heaven come from certainly not from judaism from which christianity sprang there is no such concept in the old testament it definitely did not come from jesus teaching the idea of a heavenly destiny was common in the first century among pagans schooled in greek philosophy it entered christianity gradually justin martyr was an orthodox christian writer who lived in the early second century he strongly opposed the heretics who promoted the heavenly 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