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ng session startup to work this is partly because i had a kind of funky system to start my session in the first place i used to have my whole session started from xsession like this bin sh shenv systemctl user import environment exec systemctl user start wait xsession target but obviously the xsession target is not started by the sway session it seems to just start a default target which is really not what we want because we want to associate the services directly with the graphical session target so that they don t start when logging in over say ssh damjan on debian systemd showed me his sway setup which features systemd integration it involves starting a different session in a completely new desktop file that work was submitted upstream but refused on the grounds that i d rather not give a preference to any particular init system another pr was abandoned because restarting sway does not makes sense that kills everything the work was therefore moved to the wiki so not a great situation the upstream wiki systemd integration suggests starting the systemd target from within sway which has all sorts of problems you don t get sway logs anywhere control groups are all messed up i have done a lot of work trying to figure this out but i remember that starting systemd from sway didn t actually work for me my previously configured systemd units didn t correctly start and especially not with the right path and environment so i went down that rabbit hole and managed to correctly configure sway to be started from the systemd user session i have partly followed the wiki but also picked ideas from damjan s sway setup and xdbob s sway services another option is uwsm not in debian this is the config i have in config systemd user sway service sway session target i have also configured those services but that s somewhat optional gammastep service swayidle service wcolortaillog service wterminal service you will also need at least part of my sway config which sends the systemd notification because no sway doesn t support any sort of readiness notification that would be too easy and you might like to see my swayidle config while you re there finally you need to hook this up somehow to the login manager this is typically done with a desktop file so drop sway session desktop in usr share wayland sessions and sway user service somewhere in your path typically usr bin sway user service the session then looks something like this systemd cgls head 101 control group slice user slice 472 user invocation_id bc405c6341de4e93a545bde6d7abbeec trusted invocation_id bc405c6341de4e93a545bde6d7abbeec user 1000 slice 10072 user invocation_id 08f40f5c4bcd4fd6adfd27bec24e4827 trusted invocation_id 08f40f5c4bcd4fd6adfd27bec24e4827 user 1000 service 10156 user delegate 1 trusted delegate 1 user invocation_id 76bed72a1ffb41dca9bfda7bb174ef6b trusted invocation_id 76bed72a1ffb41dca9bfda7bb174ef6b session slice 10282 xdg document portal service 12248 9533 usr libexec xdg document portal 9542 fusermount3 o rw nosuid nodev fsname portal auto_unmount subt xdg desktop portal service 12211 9529 usr libexec xdg desktop portal pipewire pulse service 10778 6002 usr bin pipewire pulse wireplumber service 10519 5944 usr bin wireplumber gvfs daemon service 10667 5960 usr libexec gvfsd gvfs udisks2 volume monitor service 10852 6021 usr libexec gvfs udisks2 volume monitor at spi dbus bus service 11481 6210 usr libexec at spi bus launcher 6216 usr bin dbus daemon config file usr share defaults at spi2 6450 usr libexec at spi2 registryd use gnome session pipewire service 10403 5940 usr bin pipewire dbus service 10593 5946 usr bin dbus daemon session address systemd nofork n background slice 10324 tracker miner fs 3 service 10741 6001 usr libexec tracker miner fs 3 app slice 10240 xdg permission store service 12285 9536 usr libexec xdg permission store gammastep service 11370 6197 gammastep dunst service 11958 7460 usr bin dunst wterminal service 13980 69100 foot title pop up 69101 bin bash 77660 sudo systemd cgls 77661 head 101 77662 wl copy 77663 sudo systemd cgls 77664 systemd cgls syncthing service 11995 7529 usr bin syncthing no browser no restart logflags 0 verbo 7537 usr bin syncthing no browser no restart logflags 0 verbo dconf service 10704 5967 usr libexec dconf service gnome keyring daemon service 10630 5951 usr bin gnome keyring daemon foreground components pkcs11 gcr ssh agent service 10963 6035 usr libexec gcr ssh agent run user 1000 gcr swayidle service 11444 6199 usr bin swayidle w nm applet service 11407 6198 usr bin nm applet indicator wcolortaillog service 11518 6226 foot colortaillog 6228 bin sh home anarcat bin colortaillog 6230 sudo journalctl f 6233 ccze m ansi 6235 sudo journalctl f 6236 journalctl f afuse service 10889 6051 usr bin afuse o mount_template sshfs o transform_symlinks gpg agent service 13547 51662 usr bin gpg agent supervised 51719 scdaemon multi server emacs service 10926 6034 usr bin emacs fg daemon 33203 usr bin aspell a m d en encoding utf 8 xdg desktop portal gtk service 12322 9546 usr libexec xdg desktop portal gtk xdg desktop portal wlr service 12359 9555 usr libexec xdg desktop portal wlr sway service 11037 6037 usr bin sway 6181 swaybar b bar 0 6209 py3status 6309 usr bin i3status c tmp py3status_oy4ntfnq 6969 xwayland 0 rootless terminate core listen 29 listen 30 init scope 10198 5909 lib systemd systemd user 5911 sd pam session 7 scope 10440 5895 gdm session worker pam gdm password 6028 usr libexec gdm wayland session register session sway user serv i think that s pretty neat todo consider this improved script https github com xdbob sway services blob master bin sway user service todo move config into puppet so it s in sync todo maybe submit as a pr on the debian package environment propagation at first my terminals and rofi didn t have the right path which broke a lot of my workflow it s hard to tell exactly how wayland gets started or where to inject environment this discussion suggests a few alternatives and this debian bug report discusses this issue as well i eventually picked environment d 5 since i already manage my user session with systemd and it fixes a bunch of other problems i used to have a shenv that i had to manually source everywhere the only problem with that approach is that it doesn t support conditionals but that s something that s rarely needed pipewire this is a whole topic onto itself but migrating to wayland also involves using pipewire if you want screen sharing to work you can actually keep using pulseaudio for audio that said but that migration is actually something i ve wanted to do anyways pipewire s design seems much better than pulseaudio as it folds in jack features which allows for pretty neat tricks which i should probably show in a separate post because this one is getting rather long i first tried this migration in debian bullseye and it didn t work very well ardour would fail to export tracks and i would get into weird situations where streams would just drop mid way a particularly funny incident is when i was in a meeting and i couldn t hear my colleagues speak anymore but they could and i went on blabbering on my own for a solid 5 minutes until i realized what was going on by then people had tried numerous ways of letting me know that something was off including apparently coughing saying hello chat messages irc and so on until they just gave up and left i suspect that was also a pipewire bug but it could also have been that i muted the tab by error as i recently learned that clicking on the little tiny speaker icon on a tab mutes that tab since the tab itself can get pretty small when you have lots of them it s actually quite frequently that i mistakenly mute tabs anyways point is i already knew how to make the migration and i had already documented how to make the change in puppet it s basically apt install pipewire pipewire audio client libraries pipewire pulse wireplumber then as a regular user systemctl user daemon reload systemctl user now disable pulseaudio service pulseaudio socket systemctl user now enable pipewire pipewire pulse systemctl user mask pulseaudio an optional but key imho configuration you should also make is to switch on connect which will make your bluetooth or usb headset automatically be the default route for audio when connected in config pipewire pipewire pulse conf d autoconnect conf context exec path pactl args load module module always sink path pactl args load module module switch on connect path usr bin sh args config pipewire default pw see the excellent as usual arch wiki page about pipewire for that trick and more information about pipewire note that you must not put the file in config pipewire pipewire conf or pipewire pulse conf maybe directly as that will break your setup if you want to add to that file first copy the template from usr share pipewire pipewire pulse conf first so far i m happy with pipewire in bookworm but i ve heard mixed reports from it i have high hopes it will become the standard media server for linux in the coming months or years which is great because i ve been rather boldly i admit on the record saying i don t like pulseaudio rereading this now i feel it might have been a little unfair as over engineered and tries to do too many things at once applies probably even more to pipewire than pulseaudio since it also handles video dispatching that said i think pipewire took the right approach by implementing existing interfaces like pulseaudio and jack that way we re not adding a third or fourth way of doing audio in linux we re just making the server better improvements over i3 tiling improvements there s a lot of improvements sway could bring over using plain i3 there are pretty neat auto tilers that could replicate the configurations i used to have in xmonad or awesome see autotiling swaymonad display latency tweaks todo you can tweak the display latency in wlroots compositors with the max_render_time parameter possibly getting lower latency than x11 in the end sound brightness changes notifications todo avizo can display a pop up to give feedback on volume and brightness changes not in debian other alternatives include swayosd and sway nc also not in debian debugging tricks the xeyes in the x11 apps package will run in wayland and can actually be used to easily see if a given window is also in wayland if the eyes follow the cursor the app is actually running in xwayland so not natively in wayland another way to see what is using wayland in sway is with the command swaymsg t get_tree other documentation awesome wayland arewewaylandyet com hacktivist me notes arch linux wiki gentoo apps list sway useful addons i3 migration guide conclusion in general this took me a long time but it mostly works the tray icon situation is pretty frustrating but there s a workaround and i have high hopes it will eventually fix itself i m also actually worried about the displaylink support because i eventually want to be using this but hopefully that s another thing that will hopefully fix itself before i need it a word on the security model i m kind of worried about all the hacks that have been added to wayland just to make things work pretty much everywhere we need to we punched a hole in the security model windows can spy on each other although xdg desktop portal wlr does confirm if you have some chooser installed see xdg desktop portal wrl 5 windows can type over each other through e g wtype through the virtual keyboard protocol windows can overlay on top of each other so one app could for example spoof a password dialog through the layer shell protocol wikipedia describes the security properties of wayland as it isolates the input and output of every window achieving confidentiality integrity and availability for both i m not sure those are actually realized in the actual implementation because of all those holes punched in the design at least in sway for example apparently the gnome compositor doesn t have the virtual keyboard protocol but they do have another text input protocol wayland does offer a better basis to implement such a system however it feels like the linux applications security model lacks critical decision points in the ui like the user approving yes this application can share my screen now applications themselves might have some of those prompts but it s not mandatory and that is worrisome 16 november 2022 10 04pm scarlett gately moore representing kde ubuntu summit in prague first i would like to send a big thank you to canonical for sponsoring my trip to prague for the ubuntu summit it was a great success i saw some great talks and valuable workshops i now know how to snap our applications the have daemons and services thanks to the snapping daemons and services workshop prague itself is an amazing city wow just wow i got to see old friends and meet many new ones i will take away some wonderful memories did i mention a river cruise yes it was great fun i did a lightning talk with jonathon and a snapping desktop applications workshop with olivier the talk was lightning fast but good practice for my speech giving skills a challenge for a shy person such as myself the workshop was great presentations of different ways snaps are done for different projects the audience was smaller than i had hoped it was the end of the summit and many folks were wrapping up to leave i still left with a feeling of accomplishment snapping desktop applications workshop ubuntu summit this week i will apply my new found knowledge and push out some more snaps 16 november 2022 07 09pm by sgmoore antoine beaupré a zfs migration in my tubman setup i started using zfs on an old server i had lying around the machine is really old though 2011 and it feels pretty slow i want to see how much of that is zfs and how much is the machine synthetic benchmarks show that zfs may be slower than mdadm in raid 10 or raid 6 configuration so i 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