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nthesized aida there are differences between procaroytes and eukariotic creatures william aha but it is true and as long as you embrace the resistance and say that it is not true then you have an empediment to the understandings william yes but always there is some common precursor aida no i mean it is not that they carry the primitive state forms william just as there is common precursor to human and neaderthal aida but that they have things in common william i was trying to remember the procaroytes aud eukariotic terms william regarding bacteria aida am confused what was the main track william now everything boils down to the big question is reality ultimately digital or analog william which hinges on holism vs reductionism william holism says that the whole is greater than a sum of the parts and that cognitive analytical axiomatic analysis will never breach the gap william wherease reductionism is that the whole is precisely the sum of the parts and that through analysis we can ultimated digitize everything precisely william descartes dreamed that one day there would be an equation for a tree aida yes he believed in reductionism william hegel dreamed of an end to history which means abosolute knowledge where they succeed in string theory and can ultimately express symbolically what is happening in the ontology of being aida william so from big bang beginning to final heat death of maximum enthropy 05 53 william where nothing further can happen because thermodynamically there is no more potential energy william you see life lives upon negative entropy william entropy is a measure of disorder aida yes william a crystal is a highly ordered structure with potential energy william when crystal is disolved energy is released william it also gets into carl jungs monograph on the nature of the psyche aida yes william can you not post for one minute until i say hello i have one system message aida how can you correlate all those things aida sure william you see discourse and writing itself is an artificial projection of a multidimensional process of multimind into a linear discourse of axiomatic precations aida talking to you is like reading a james joyce novel aida one needs some big refrence book to see what your words are reffering to william so in an aristotelian syllogism is a implies b implies c emplies z ergo q e d quod erat demonstrandum we have demonstrated what was to be shown william that is linear william but my mind my understanding is not linear it is many many things at once william my 60 years of experience william so if you mathematically project a 3 dimensional shape onto two dimensions 05 59 william you have something you may graph and use as a tool but it is different from the original object of three diminsions under consideration william but suppose we seek a model of some economic phenomenon or some metabolic phenomenom it may have 10 or 20 dimensions william but we cannot deal with 10 or 20 dimensions at once william so we seek an axiomatic model as a tool which allows us to deal with it william but you see our moment to moment experience of consciousness is a process of data reduction aida yes william we selectively ignore a myriad of external and internal experience to focus on our discussion or an opera or ball game aida yes william but when that funciotion of brain breaks down and we are overwhelmed simultaneously of all sensations william then it is madness william it is psychosis william i am forgetting better word aida william it is the stage beyond nurotic william neurotic aida nervous breakdown william well yes psychotic better yet schizophrenic aida yes psychotic aida what was the exact name of the book of carl rodgers william a neurotic person understands whee and who they are but the overemphasize things which are unimportant and they are caught in a circle of repition like a broken record william carl rogers on becoming a person william now carl rogers had one psychotic patient william he merged so closely with her that he began to suffer psychotic symptoms william and he speaks of that danger 06 04 william aristotle said the one unique characteristic of being human is mimesis we love to imitate william and that allows us to adapt william we become like fish with scuba and like birds with plains aida william planes william but what is our virtue and makes possible survival in diverse ecological niches william can also be our enemy aida how can we distinguish ourselves from our enviroment william whenever we become locked into one mode even when changing circumstances demand a shift in gears to some opposite mode aida and how exactly know what we say or do is beloning to us and not external words william each of our faculties has a positive necessary function fear desire lust hunger weariness william but each can become imbalanced and become pathological aida i wonder how one can generate new ideas out of nothing william if our species did not have an overwhelming sexual dimension we would not have survied for 500 000 years aida yes william but if we cannot bridle the sexual side then we cannot be doctors or lawyers of professors william similary if we bridle or suppress too much then that becomes a patholgy aida why not william think of anorexia aida it takes time william a virtue of moderation taken to an extreme which becomes a pathology aida sorry got disconneted william there is a healthy place for anger it is a useful tool for survival and even for healthy function society aida i wonder how can one balance all those elements aida make balance between william but when anger becomes unconrolled then it is destructive and also it becomes an end in itself rather than simply a means to an end 06 09 william so the whole greek thing was balance moderation the middle way the mean between the extremes aida for example i was thinking to acheive what i want to in my life i dont have time to get married and have children etc william so it is like the goldilock fairytale aida what is it william one bowl of porrige is too hot the next is to cold and third is just right william goldilocks aida oh william and the three bears aida yes aida aha yes aida it was funny story william it is a childrens story but it illustrates balance moderation in a simple way william no matter how complex something is there is always some simple model or parable to illustrate it aida yes a guy asked his class why should she rest in the bears house after eating porridge etc aida a student said to commit suicide william and a parable or a sufi teaching story is a tool to reshape our mind to better comprehend the real problem aida hey wait a second aida can we study a problem of me william well again wittgenstein reachs the higher plateau and then kick away the ad hoc ladder which helped him to get there william you see bible koran vedas and roman law are all ladders which help us to evolve to where we are aida are you listening william but at some point we must let go and adopt something that suits todays william oh the problem of you william well i see you from a great distance and have my theories william but i may be mistaken william for example your boyfriend now ex was a ladder which helped you to make a certain life transition william and it was positive william but if you stay with that it becomes counterproductive 06 14 william a ladder which serves its purpose and one point becomes a crutch if we do not let go aida but i havent said my problem yet william so say your problem aida but you do not listen william i was speaking of my perception of your problem william so i am listening william you ask me to address grand issues of all history william i cant go to warp speed and easily put on the breaks aida yes but then you disconnect from me william i am listening aida and then you forget am talking to you william well it depends on how dear the topic at hand is william to you william i am listening now aida yes the topic is dear william state your problem aida but you forgot we wanted to practice socratics dialect and not a one way speech william your next problem aida ok now my turn william well you must carefully read all the dialogues and study what socrates is doing william and ask questions aida but you leap from one subject to the other and i get confused william but what is the life circumstance in your life where you desire to use socratic method william because my mind works as it does multidimensional aida and lose the track of our subject william and i try to project it to linear william for you aida it is interesting but at the end you have said too many beautiful statements but we cant reach the end william plus you must understand i can afford the luxury to be multidimensional me because long ago i gave up the chance to be a directed and disciplined you aida we can not have a meaningful conclusion of what was said aida am not disciplined william well you must understand discourse has its limits the next stage is writting essay or book aida that is my problem aida i have too many interests william so if you could have lunch with pplato himself it would not be as good as reading plato s republic aida and want to understand too many things 06 19 william because a writer spends years distilling everything into one book or essay aida yes i read his republic william so at any given moment the author is less than his work aida but i am talking to you now and not reading hid republic william and he at times studies his own work william because it has become a scaffolding which surrounds the cathedral aida can i ask something william he constructed it true but he must climb about in it he cannot be everywhere at once on the dome and at the windows william yes william ask aida which methods you think works best being multidimensional and gain a little of everything or being one dimensional and going in to depth of one subject only william you confront your own frustration aida since i have this problem william you see i cannot give you a sitaram pill to swallow and instantly become 60 yr old sitaram william yet when we approach a teacher that is what we desire william which is only natural aida in order to improve in my studies i have to put all the time i have on studying medicine william now what is your precise roblem william exactly at each moment in our life we give up 1000 possible futures in order to actualize only one aida but i love to learn i like to read philosophy and psychology and history and art i like to paint and practice my violin william so successful life is a process of data reduction william success is a process of intentional failures aida but if i do that i wont be able to organize my studies to the level that i could continue them the way i desire william we give up chance to be a ballerina or concert pianist in order to be physician or politican aida but i can not do that i mean i can not be a physician only william and as physician we give up chance to be surgeon or anestheosiologist in order to become our one specialty 06 24 william lets say nephrologist or cardiovascular william or neurologist aida i want to understand life aida and it is not all written in medical books william it is division of labor william well you want to be what do the call it polymath aida yes and unfortunately i want it to be perfect william actually though i sounds blasphemous you want to be god omniscient omnipresent omnipotent william now that is a good desire for it is a desire to perfect oneself aida i mean i want to be the best i can be in my job and also in whatever am interested in aida but it contradicts i mean i can not focus on everything and be perfect in them aida yes i cant be god william we desire all that is good but we must make choices and settle for what is reachable achievable based upon our own gifts and shortcomings and the age and society and technology in which we live aida and i reproach myself of not being able to be one william so the woman who wrote pride and prjudice jane austin had to be content with paper and quill and ink william no word processor no internet aida we make choices but we do not know if they are the best ones william and she had to make do with a patriarchal society with victorian morals which frowned upon the woman author aida for example i can put time to succeed in my career only and study and study aida and of course it is a precious career aida but i worry to lose my human side and goals and become narrow minded and lose insight about why i am doing my job william there is a story about a donkey who is surrounded by many different buckets of grain delicious all at an equal distance aida why am living it aida or giving life back to people william but because the donkey cannot decide which is best to approach william he sits there hungry aida yes am the donkey william because to chose any one bucket is to give up and ignore the others william now diffeent story thee are many piles of hay and many hungry cows william but there is also a dog aida i dont sit there but i go toward each for a while and then doubt william the dog cannot eat the hay 06 30 aida and go back to the other direction william but the dog is selfish and barks at all the cows to keep them fromt he hay aida haha william so you are caught in an existential trap william which you may explore with kierkegaard and sartre and camus aida yes i recognize myself while reading them william sartre speaks of the young man in war torn france who is his mothers only support but his friends join the underground resistance william he is damned whatever choice he makes aida i really worry not to live my life they way i want to lead it aida yes william if he stays to care for mother he is unpatriotic bastard who does not joint his comrads in underground resistance of nazis william but if he is patriot and good comrad his is bastard to abandon his poor mother aida yes william so damned if he does and damned if he doesnt william so this is the bind aida i feel that way william i forget the best term aida bondage william but the schizophrenice is a pathology which seeks to escape from the intolerable double bind william actually when i was only age 4 william i noticed the dog in the next yard on a chain william i realized he was in a double bind aida how come william but i could not put it into words william well he wanted one thing but the chain kept him back william he had two directives mutually exclusive william lets say his job is to chase way the intruder 06 35 william but when he runs to do that job the chain chokes him and pulls him back william so my mother was placing me in a similar bind william and i told her about the dog aida wow aida how cute william i exlained to her that she was doing to me just what the dog was in william but she could not catch the analogy aida how could you do that in age 4 william because she had two conflicting goals to place upon me william well that was how my mind...