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re be a statutory period between a parliamentary bill passing its final reading and receiving royal assent one that allowed the people to challenge said act through the use of referenda prior to it becoming law posted by witteringsfromwitney at 10 04 10 comments labels chartism christina gathmann direct democracy democracy old swan manifesto monday 2 april 2012 chartism from wikipedia we learn that the chartists or to be correct one faction called for six basic reforms to make the political system more democratic those six reforms were universal male suffrage a secret ballot no property qualification for members of parliament pay members of parliament so poor men could serve constituencies of equal size annual elections for parliament they accomplished the first four with the fifth planned for implementation in the near future assuming of course our home grown version of hitler doesn t get overthrown were the chartists to be reborn today one imagines them looking round and observing that paraphrasing a line from star trek it s life but not as they envisioned it that the first four points have been emasculated beyond recognition by the political class for their own ends especially points three and four but i digress it seems to me that further basic reforms are called for if democracy in this country is to survive in that respect and apropo point six one of the reasons for the american revolution was the principle of no taxation without representation nowadays under representative democracy we have taxation but do not have representation in that those that represent us do not they take what is not their money but ours without our permission nor with any constraints on what it can be spent point six of the chartist s demands was for annual elections to parliament something which had we a form of direct democracy in this country would not be necessary however every year our political elite present what they laughingly term their budget in which they inform us on what our money that they intend extracting from us will be spent and subsequently amongst themselves decide whether their budget is acceptable or not as it is our money should they not in the first place ask us should it not be us that decide the question of acceptability should it not be us that decide nope go back and do your sums again to a certain extent one can argue that no taxation without public approval should be one of any new reforms that is required for a new democracy this question does to a certain extent form part of what should be discussed on talkconstitution net and it could also be argued that it should form part of any new constitution that website will be proposing hopefully in the very near future is not the idea of servant asking master on what the master s money can be spent not referism put into practice posted by witteringsfromwitney at 11 02 7 comments labels chartists democracy direct democracy referism wikipedia whats good for the goose etc etc in common with the public perception of politicians as devious untruthful hypocritical people of questionable parentage william hague does not disappoint with his comment piece in today s daily telegraph by maintaining that the falkland islanders have the right to determine their own political and economic future hague denies to us in britain that which if push comes to shove he would ask us to fight for it will not have escaped the attention of readers that when it comes to defending our nation politicians are most noticeable by their absence from the front line of battle politicians continually inform us that they want our respect yet seem to forget that it cannot be learned purchased or acquired it can only be earned and so far they have earned squat diddly just saying posted by witteringsfromwitney at 09 19 5 comments labels daily telegraph democracy falkland islands william hague ed miliband a la cameron a bloody liar all our politicians speak of governing us and governing for the many not the few the latest example being ed miliband while launching his party s local manifesto for the forthcoming elections in may according to politics home he stated that he will govern for the whole country not just the wealthy few as with all statements issued by the political elite ed miliband has blatantly lied to the british public ed miliband can no more govern this country as cannot any other party leader than can you or i as he and they have been party to ceding that governance to brussels through our membership of the eu even if we were to accept that miliband could govern this country as a sovereign nation through our membership of the eu he would be governing not just for the whole country but also for the wealthy few in brussels eu commissioner s pay scales are specified in this document and their basic monthly salaries are fixed at 112 5 of the top european civil service grade this works out at 19 909 89 the president is paid at 138 24 422 80 vice presidents at 125 22 122 10 and the high representative at 130 23 006 98 viewed in real money those figures convert to 16 529 29 198 351 48 per annum 20 275 14 243 301 68 per annum 18 368 90 220 426 80 per annum and 19 103 68 229 244 16 per annum there are further allowances on top of this figure including a residency allowance and an entertainment allowance now there are 18 commissioners 7 vice presidents ashton and barroso you go do the maths just saying not that miliband s lies will be mentioned in the msm of course posted by witteringsfromwitney at 07 10 7 comments labels cameron commission salaries democracy ed miliband european union in all the chatter where is mention of truth or honesty the front page of today s daily telegraph is plastered with the news that tory mps have rounded on cameron and osborne being angry over the budget and the fuel fiasco according to the article mps are demanding i overhaul of the downing street machine ii the ending of osborne s dual role as chancellor and head of tory political strategy iii the appointment of a senior mp as full time party chairman and iv that the ministerial reshuffle should be used to promote more mps from working class and northern backgrounds all this and more is called for in order that the tory party can reconnect with voters and thus retain their confidence in the editorial the newspaper warns that voters have no time for political manoeuvring citing the granny tax extension of vat on pasties and the fuel fiasco nowhere in the article nor the editorial do the words truth or honesty appear nowhere in the article nor the editorial is it made plain that our politicians lie to us on a daily basis nowhere in the article nor the editorial is it made plain that politicians of all hues act and behave as an elected dictatorship all that those quoted are concerned with is how to save their party and unspoken their careers and politicians strive to reconnect with the electorate the only way that politicians will reconnect with the electorate is for the entire present edifice of politics to be torn down and rebuilt and to that end a movement will hopefully begin democracy excrement whether portrayed as a rose a tree or a bird remains just that excrement posted by witteringsfromwitney at 02 46 1 comments labels democracy sunday 1 april 2012 sunday 1st april 2012 for some inexplicable reason i find myself not in the write frame of mind to post today so apologies all round normal service resumes tomorrow posted by witteringsfromwitney at 12 28 1 comments saturday 31 march 2012 playing politics cameron style we all know about compassionate conservatism but it seems we now have confirmation of what has long been suspected with the release of this video and news report namely cynical conservatism i can t wait to see cameron escape from this as no doubt he will more importantly is this but an extension of cameron s view where membership of the eu is concerned move over heath you ve just been supplanted as our most hated figure posted by witteringsfromwitney at 13 20 0 comments labels bastard cameron democracy traitor treason joke of the day courtesy of an englishman s castle comes a comment on the german effect vis a viz greece angela merkel arrives at passport control in athens nationality asks the immigration officer german she replies occupation no just here for a few days as aec says the old ones are always the best ones posted by witteringsfromwitney at 12 54 3 comments labels angela merkel democracy greece the blind leading the blind charles moore in his usual saturday o p ed piece in the daily telegraph heads his article even i m starting to wonder what do this lot know about anything that a journalist is now starting to pose a question that many of us have been asking for yonks can but illustrate how out of touch journalism per se has become that the public believe that which they read and are therefore guided in their opinion forming also illustrates that for some time now the heading to this post has been only too evident that moore can presumably straight faced write that anyone who thinks cameron should not be prime minister is therefore a bigot beggars belief where to begin i shall not however great though the temptation is digress to any thinking man or woman it is becoming obvious that our system of democracy must be changed as that under which we presently live namely representative democracy is no better than democratised dictatorship or elective dictatorship and can be likened to feudalism the problem arises when one considers how change can be effected because it sure ain t going to be effected through the ballot box not today or in the immediate future one may initially question my use of the word feudalism however bear in mind that our country has always generally been governed by what one may call the well educated who have led the less well educated by control of the education system the political elite ensure the population per se are contained whilst their control ensures a separate system of better education from which they can emerge that is how the political elite ensure we remain feudal vassals when considering how change may be effected and knowing that it cannot be accomplished through the ballot box most begin looking at some form of revolution one involving a mass uprising and yes i am as guilty as the next man in that respect but with hindsight consider is the common man any better off now than he was prior to 1642 are we not still governed by an elite over whom we have no control and do not tell me that having a choice of dictator every five years is a form of control please almost two centuries later a further initially peaceful attempt to change our society began with the chartist movement this we learn from wikipedia resulted in the political elite of the time viewing the movement as dangerous refusing to negotiate with it or deal with its demands and eventually crushing it we also learn that their ideals as with most well intentioned ideals flourished in hard times but faded in prosperous times if it is accepted that change through the ballot box is presently impossible impossible due to the stranglehold that the three main parties are able to exert on the electoral system coupled with their control of the media then perhaps it is possible to adapt that of the chartists with a view to effecting the change that is required to those who will understandably counter that if the chartists failed in their attempts to create a movement for change then how do i believe it possible to succeed where they failed i can but point to the power of the internet also hopefully with the participation and leadership of this blogger those of us involved can ensure the idea does not fade but gains traction it is intended to return to this subject over the course of the next two or three days so bear with me in the meantime one final thought and that is there may be some among my readers who will point out that i instigated a website talkconsitution with a view to creating change to our democratic system so how long will this latest idea last that is indeed true but in my defense i have to plead that personal events in my life forced me to neglect that idea however rest assured that that neglect will also be addressed within the next seven days the effect on my personal life vis a viz talkconstitution has been mirrored by that of ian parker joseph with the site he started judas class ipj still has interests that do not allow him at this time to further his project however and still to be discussed with him i would hope to relaunch his idea also posted by witteringsfromwitney at 12 43 4 comments labels democracy friday 30 march 2012 false flag politicians toby young has a most argumentative article on the spectator blog an article in which he muses about tory rebels and posits that a new type of politics has been born oh dear my cynicism rises to the surface yet again according to research carried out by the university of nottingham there were rebellions in 179 of the 331 votes held in parliament between the election and last christmas that s a defiance ratio of 43 per cent quite without precedent in the postwar era wow that begs the question that if this new intake are 43 per cent in disagreement with their party why are they still members of that party also according to what i believe is basic maths 179 as a ratio of 331 is slightly more than 43 percent but i digress philip cowley the nottingham professor who conducted the research apparently has various theories as to why the 2010 intake are such a fractious bunch cowley cites what he calls the norman baker factor the fact that plum government jobs that would normally go to loyal servants of the tory party have been given to second rate lib dems with so little hope of promotion exacerbated by a lack of reshuffles why would any ambitious new mp toe the line to which one can but respond sour grapes toby young quotes daniel hannan who cites the fact that whips used to be able to dangle foreign junkets in front of the troops quoting hannan thus they used to be able to hand out foreign junkets but these days who has the time to go off to fiji in the wake of the expenses scandal who would dare do tell mr hannan the difference twixt fiji and the congo is the difference where this principle is concerned twixt an mp and an mep is toby young then quotes douglas carswell in respect of the 81 rebellion the view that the new intake feel obliged to pay more than lip service to their constituents is echoed by douglas carswell the conservative mp who played a pivotal role in last year s eu rebellion after the vote several people phoned me up and asked how i managed to pull it off he says look we didn t plot it in a basement in westminster it was 81 mps responding to pressure from their constituents i don t have magical charming persuasive powers the pressure is coming from where it should from the voters great in which case those 81 rebels won t m...