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in edward ii s presence at windsor castle on 28 april 1317 the young man died in july or august that year and edward ii paid for his funeral in lincoln cathedral 3 there is no doubt that john was the eldest son as his mother named him as the first of her four sons in 1348 even though he had not been knighted by the time of his death and his brother william d 1344 was an earl and thus massively outranked him the fact that his father william the elder d 1319 arranged his rather than his brother the younger william s marriage to the heiress joan de verdon in april 1317 also indicates that he was the eldest son john s death in july august 1317 given that he had been married mere months before surely came as a shock to everyone and edward ii seems to have been deeply affected by it william second son earl of salisbury he was certainly born after 3 may 1300 as on 3 may 1321 edward ii called him a minor in the king s ward when he allowed him seisin of part of his inheritance and before 21 february 1302 as on 21 february 1323 he was granted full possession of his late father s lands as he had proved his age and done homage to the king sadly the proof of age which would give william s exact date of birth no longer exists though the royal order to hold it does and is dated 29 june 1322 it states that william says he is of full age which would place his date of birth before 29 june 1301 probably not too long before and that he was born in cassington carsyngton a village in oxfordshire not far from oxford at his father s inquisition post mortem in april may 1320 william was said rather vaguely to be seventeen or eighteen years old somewhat peculiarly edward ii s chamber account of 22 april 1326 states that william had permission from the king to travel to london because he was going to be dubbed a knight and the entry calls him a child in the keeping of the king s chamber william was certainly no longer a child in april 1326 and must have been twenty five or almost by then so i suspect this might be an error for his younger brother edward william married katherine grandisson d 1349 around 1327 and died on 30 january 1344 he was the father of another william montacute earl of salisbury b in donyatt somerset on 19 june 1328 d 1397 philippa countess of march d 1382 and several others 4 simon third son bishop of worcester and ely born in 1303 or 1304 he was a student at oxford by 29 november 1318 when a petition from edward ii to pope john xxii stated that he had not yet completed his fifteenth year he appears as simon de mountagu on 26 march 1317 when edward ii called him the king s cousin and clerk 5 simon was appointed bishop of worcester in late 1333 when he was probably not yet thirty and bishop of ely in 1337 he died in june 1345 edward fourth and youngest son most probably the godson of edward ii or at least named in his honour or was perhaps the godson of edward i if he was born before july 1307 edward montacute accompanied his father in 1318 19 when william the elder was made steward of gascony and he had a boat there called la peronelle which appears in edward ii s accounts if i m correct in thinking that the reference in edward ii s chamber account of april 1326 refers to edward montacute rather than his brother william he was knighted in london not long after 22 april 1326 or at least his knighting was planned then on the other hand an entry on the patent roll in march 1337 implies that he had recently been knighted by edward iii 6 he married edward i s granddaughter alice of norfolk in or before august 1338 and horribly beat her to death in the early 1350s their two young daughters were subsequently sent to live with their paternal grandmother elizabeth de montfort alice daubeney the eldest montacute daughter who married sir ralph daubeney or daubeny or daubenay of somerset b 3 march 1305 the son and heir of sir eli a s daubeney who died when his son was mere weeks old alice was the mother of sir giles daubeney d 1386 who was born outside england though i don t know where 7 the family name often appears in medieval records in its latin form de albiniaco mary cogan second daughter the identity of her husband is not known and i know absolutely nothing about her elizabeth montacute third daughter prioress of haliwell or holywell in shoreditch london from 1340 to 1357 a letter from the abbot of westminster dated 5 november 1334 states that elizabeth de monte acuto a girl of noble birth had entered the priory of halywell by london as a nun she had nothing of her own to provide for her food and clothing and they the abbot and convent of westminster out of pity for her poverty granted her an income of 100 shillings a year 8 hawise bavent fourth daughter she married roger bavent whose father roger bavent sr was born in sussex in march 1279 and was one of the men knighted with edward of caernarfon and hawise s father on 22 may 1306 roger jr died on 23 april 1355 and his widow hawise montacute was still alive on 13 october 1361 they had a son john twenty years old in june 1357 who died childless and a daughter joan who married sir john dauntsey 9 maud matilda montacute fifth daughter abbess of barking abbey from 1341 to 1352 the abbess of barking outranked all the other english abbesses and was always of noble birth according to the annales paulini maud s brother simon bishop of ely and sister elizabeth prioress of haliwell attended her consecration on 29 april 1341 10 isabel montacute sixth daughter who succeeded her sister maud as abbess of barking in 1352 and held the position until her death in 1358 isabel was succeeded by katherine sutton and then by her niece maud montacute the younger one of edward montacute and alice of norfolk s daughters the genealogics website and wikipedia give william montacute and elizabeth de montfort a seventh daughter katherine who married sir william carrington i don t know which primary source s confirm s that but it would be deeply odd if she alone was not mentioned in her mother s list of children in 1348 so without seeing primary source evidence i remain to be convinced that she existed genealogics also omits john montacute who lived into his teens and appears quite a few times on record the birth order of the four sons of elizabeth de montfort and william montacute d 1319 is clear as is the birth order of the six daughters but putting them together is basically impossible john montacute was the eldest son and alice montacute later daubeney was the eldest daughter but which of them was the eldest sibling or whether william the second son was older or younger than alice or older or younger than the second daughter mary is anyone s guess edward montacute the youngest son might have been born in c 1305 or a decade or so later than that elizabeth de montfort was widowed in the autumn of 1319 when sir william montacute died in gascony where edward ii had appointed him steward the year before news of his death reached chancery in england on 13 november 1319 the writ to hold his inquisition post mortem was issued belatedly on 9 april 1320 and elizabeth was granted her dower on 23 may 1320 11 she married her second husband sir thomas furnivall of sheffield the widower of hugh despenser the elder s sister joan and a landowner in yorkshire nottinghamshire and derbyshire sometime before 8 june 1322 when edward ii fined them 200 for marrying without a royal licence 12 in 1318 thomas furnivall and joan despenser s son thomas furnivall the younger had married joan de verdon widow of elizabeth de montfort and william montacute s eldest son john i e elizabeth s former daughter in law married her future stepson on 11 september 1321 thomas furnivall the elder had acknowledged that he owed debts to several of elizabeth s children his future stepchildren 300 to edward montacute the fourth son another 300 to hawise montacute the fourth daughter and 40 to elizabeth montacute the third daughter 13 thomas died in 1332 and elizabeth received her dower on 6 june 1332 she did not marry again 14 her third son simon became a bishop in 1333 her second son william was made earl of salisbury in 1337 her third daughter elizabeth became a prioress in 1340 and her fifth daughter maud became an abbess in 1341 elizabeth de montfort montacute furnivall lived long enough to witness the annulment of her grandson william montacute s b 1328 marriage to joan of kent later princess of wales in 1349 and the horrible death of her daughter in law alice of norfolk in the early 1350s following a terrible beating by elizabeth s youngest son edward and some of his retainers after which elizabeth looked after her toddler granddaughters for a while she died in august 1354 either on the 6th the 10th the 19th the 26th the 27th or the 29th the jurors at her inquisition post mortem gave different dates though she was certainly dead by 30 august when the writ to hold the ipm was issued she must have been in her mid seventies or thereabouts and her grandson william montacute earl of salisbury then aged twenty six was the heir to her extensive montacute dower lands one of her manors was cassington where her second son earl william was born in 1301 15 elizabeth had outlived three of her four sons john william and simon and several of her six daughters she was buried in st frideswide s priory in oxford later christ church cathedral sources 1 calendar of fine rolls 1272 1307 p 235 2 calendar of patent rolls 1281 92 p 496 3 thomas stapleton a brief summary of the wardrobe accounts of the tenth eleventh and fourteenth years of king edward the second archaeologia 26 1836 p 339 4 calendar of close rolls 1318 23 pp 287 629 cfr 1319 27 p 56 calendar of inquisitions post mortem 1307 27 no 238 cipm 1336 46 no 700 cipm 1347 52 nos 64 244 310 sal ms 122 p 61 5 foedera 1272 1307 pp 379 80 calendar of chancery warrants 1244 1326 p 465 6 cpr 1334 38 p 401 7 cipm 1300 07 no 324 cpr 1350 54 p 63 8 cpr 1334 38 pp 92 3 9 cipm 1300 07 no 55 cipm 1352 60 no 387 ccr 1360 64 p 38 complete peerage vol 2 p 34 10 annales paulini 1307 1340 in chronicles of the reigns of edward i and edward ii ed w stubbs vol 1 p 370 11 cfr 1319 27 pp 8 9 13 cipm 1317 27 no 238 ccr 1318 23 p 192 12 cfr 1319 27 p 133 13 ccr 1318 23 p 496 14 cipm 1327 36 no 470 ccr 1330 33 pp 471 2 15 cipm 1352 60 no 173 posted by kathryn warner at 1 31 pm 1 comment email this blogthis share to x share to facebook share to pinterest 15 november 2022 the faces of edward ii isabella of france and others i recently did a podcast for history hack about london and londoners in the first half of the fourteenth century it s now online give it a listen here it s just under 45 minutes long also recently i had the good fortune to stumble on the youtube channel of panagiotis constantinou a supremely talented visual artist who recreates the faces of historical figures including many of the medieval kings of england and their queens from effigies sculptures and manuscript images i won t post screenshots of the faces here because i don t want to deprive mr constantinou of any clicks and i urge you to take a look at his work all the links below are to his youtube videos his recreated faces smile blink move their heads and look very much alive they re all stunning to behold and the effect of watching stone or a manuscript image morph into what appears to be flesh is incredible the videos are also very informative about the lives of the people being recreated and the music is awesome i have lost an entire day watching and re watching these so far and no doubt will lose far more d edward ii and isabella of france based on the effigy on edward s tomb in gloucester cathedral and a sculpture of isabella s face in beverley minster i have no words for how much i adore both of them henry iii and eleanor of provence edward ii s grandparents edward i and eleanor of castile edward ii s parents edward iii and philippa of hainault edward ii s son and daughter in law i particularly love the young edward aged downwards from the effigy on his tomb in westminster abbey i think he looks rather beautiful rather than merely handsome which perhaps isn t surprising given that both of his parents seem to have been very good looking queen philippa is also youthified from her effigy henry ii richard lionheart king john eleanor of aquitaine berengaria of navarre queen of richard lionheart richard ii from the famous portrait of him in westminster abbey richard ii john of gaunt henry iv henry s queen joan of navarre mr constantinou s recreation of richard ii in this one is from the king s effigy also in westminster abbey with that funny little tufty beard i d have loved to see richard s first queen anne of bohemia as well joan of arc henry v charles vi and vii of france henry vi edward iv and elizabeth woodville richard neville earl of warwick 1428 71 his daughters isabel duchess of clarence and anne queen of england and isabel s husband george brother of edward iv and richard iii richard iii henry vii elizabeth of york and their son arthur henry viii s wives posted by kathryn warner at 12 35 pm 1 comment email this blogthis share to x share to facebook share to pinterest 08 november 2022 uterine suffocation the latest edition of mortimer matters the journal of the mortimer history society featuring an article by me called the joys of medieval sex is online i talk about the dangers of uterine suffocation caused by women failing to expel their own sperm by intercourse or menstruation busybody london officials creeping around the city streets and arresting adulterers in the middle of the night women describing their husbands privates as a sorry pin and the length of a snail and much else d my book sex and sexuality in medieval england is available on amazon uk and amazon us or via the pen sword website i ve done an interview with kasia on her fantastic blog about henry the young king 1155 83 to celebrate its tenth anniversary many congrats to kasia for her hard work the interview is about fourteenth century london based on my book london a fourteenth century city and its people available on amazon uk and amazon us and i recently did a podcast for history hack on the topic of fourteenth century london also based on my book it ll be online on 18 november if you re in the uk and have a kindle my book daughters of edward i is currently only 2 99 if you re in the us it s 3 40 and last but definitely not least did you know that william ockham or occam of occam s razor fame was a franciscan friar from surrey who was almost exactly the same age as edward ii william is believed to have been born in or around 1287 and died in 1347 michael harmon has written a novel called invincibilis about him with edward ii hugh despenser the younger and eleanor de clare as important characters it s available on amazon uk and amazon us many thanks to michael for sending me a copy and for kindly mentioning me in the acknowledgements if you re 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