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aw of the king of france philip iv who married their half sister juana of navarre and champagne in 1284 and thus could hardly have been better connected their childhoods are almost completely obscure the household account in england of jan of brabant survives for a few months in 1292 93 he was the son and heir of jan i duke of brabant and married the lancaster brothers cousin margaret one of edward i s daughters in 1290 thomas and henry of lancaster appear several times in the account john of lancaster does not account of the expenses of john of brabant and henry and thomas of lancaster 1292 3 camden miscellany 1853 ed joseph burtt during the same time period thomas and henry are also mentioned several times as thomas and henry the sons of lord edmund in the extant account of their cousin edward of caernarfon but john is not it strikes me as highly likely that john of lancaster spent most of his life in his mother blanche of artois s native france and as he held lands there he might well have been born in france his brothers thomas and henry who inherited lands in england must by english inheritance law of the time have been born in england itself or in another of the territories ruled by the king of england unlike his two older brothers john married a french noblewoman she was alix de joinville youngest child of the chronicler and historian jean de joinville lord of joinville and his second wife alix daughter of the lord of reynel jean de joinville lived a remarkably long life he was born around 1224 or 1225 he was excused from fighting in the battle of taillebourg in 1242 as he hadn t been knighted yet and did not die until december 1317 i have no idea when alix de joinville was born but she likely wasn t too much older than john of lancaster and was probably born when her father was in his fifties her parents married in 1262 and her own first marriage to jean lord of arcis sur aube which is just twenty miles from john of lancaster s lordship of beaufort was arranged in 1300 jean d arcis sur aube died childless in 1307 the same year that john of lancaster s cousin edward ii succeeded john s uncle edward i as king of england alix de joinville herself died in or after 1336 and her brother anseau in 1342 or 1343 information from the medieval lands project on the foundation for medieval genealogy site john of lancaster s half sister juana i queen regnant of navarre queen consort of france and countess of champagne obviously knew alix s father jean de joinville she commissioned him to write a history of louis ix of france r 1226 70 who was her husband philip iv s grandfather and was also the great uncle of herself and her three lancaster half brothers their mother blanche of artois was the daughter of louis ix s brother robert count of artois it s possible therefore that john knew the joinville family via queen juana though juana can t have arranged his marriage to alix as she died in 1305 two years before alix s first husband jean d arcis sur aube john and alix de joinville were married by july 1312 when a grant made to the abbey of chapelle aux planches by jehans de lancastre sires de biaufort lord of beaufort et aalis de joinville is recorded alix is called john s loyal consort and wife sa loiaulx compaigne et espouse to put the date into context that s the month after piers gaveston beloved of john s cousin edward ii was killed in warwickshire and four months before john s niece isabella queen of england juana s daughter gave birth to the future edward iii a slightly later grant by john calling himself jehan de lancastre and his wife aalis de joinville is also extant it s interesting to see that he called alix by her maiden name not de lancastre or d arcis sur aube for her first husband mémoires de la société d agriculture commerce sciences arts du département de la marn e 1883 84 pp 151 2 on another occasion in october 1312 he referred to himself as jehans de lancastre and to alix as our beloved and loyal consort aelips de joinville alix put her own seal to the document as well calling herself aleyps de joinville and john my dearest and loyal lord and companion jehans de lancastre collection des principaux cartulaires du diocèse de troyes vol 4 pp 78 80 john of lancaster died childless sometime before 13 june 1317 a few months before his father in law jean de joinville finally passed away in his nineties in the reign of his nephew philip v of france queen juana s second son on that date his cousin edward ii wrote to philip v asking him to postpone the required homage of john s brother and heir henry until after the next feast of the purification i e 2 february 1318 edward s letter indicates that john had owned lands in chaumpayn brye champagne and brie yummy henry of lancaster left england for france sometime after 1 june 1318 and on 28 september that year edward ii stated that he is staying in france to obtain the inheritance in that land which by the death of john de lancastre his brother descended to him foedera 1307 27 p 334 cpr 1317 21 pp 145 46 153 217 just as i m not sure how john obtained his french lands in the first place i m also not sure why henry and not the eldest lancaster brother thomas earl of lancaster and leicester was john s heir to them john was in his early or mid thirties when he died and his older brothers outlived him thomas was executed by edward ii in 1322 and henry who was thomas s heir as well as john s died in his mid sixties in 1345 the lordship of beaufort thus passed in 1317 to henry of lancaster later earl of lancaster and leicester then on henry s death in 1345 to his son henry of grosmont first duke of lancaster then on duke henry s death in 1361 to his daughter blanche who married john of gaunt in the 1370s gaunt had four children with katherine swynford who were given the last name beaufort posted by kathryn warner at 12 00 pm 4 comments email this blogthis share to x share to facebook share to pinterest 22 january 2023 elizabeth de montfort lady montacute and furnivall d 1354 and her children elizabeth de montfort lady montacute and furnivall d 1354 was the mother of william montacute earl of salisbury 1301 44 here s a post about her her marriages and her children elizabeth was the daughter of peter or piers de montfort of beaudesert in warwickshire who died not long before 4 march 1287 and matilda or maud de la mare and had a brother called john de montfort their father s heir 1 this branch of the de montforts was only distantly related to the famous simon de montfort earl of leicester who was french by birth and ancestry though elizabeth s grandfather peter de montfort the elder was a staunch supporter of simon and was killed alongside him at the battle of evesham in august 1265 peter de montfort the elder was the first ever holder of a parliamentary office later known as the speaker of the house of commons elizabeth s date of birth isn t known but her marriage to her first husband sir william montacute or montagu e of somerset d 1319 was arranged in june 1292 the grant of the marriage was made to elizabeth s brother john as their father was dead by then and the record of it on the patent roll confusingly refers to elizabeth as john s daughter by mistake 2 william was the son and heir of simon montacute d 1316 or 1317 and his date of birth isn t known either and has been estimated as anywhere between 1265 and 1285 he was one of the many men knighted with edward of caernarfon on 22 may 1306 elizabeth and william s second son william montacute d 1344 earl of salisbury and a close friend of edward iii was probably born in 1301 see below this means that their eldest son john was born in or before 1300 and several of their daughters might also have been born before 1300 it seems unlikely therefore that either elizabeth or william was born later than the early 1280s and they might both have been born in the 1270s 1265 seems much too early to me elizabeth de montfort and william montacute had a large family four sons and six daughters four of their ten offspring entered the church in 1348 elizabeth founded a chantry to pray for the souls of her parents her two husbands and her ten montacute children she named her four sons in birth order then her six daughters also in birth order they were john first son born in 1300 at the latest and perhaps in the mid or late 1290s who married joan de verdon b 1303 in edward ii s presence at windsor castle on 28 april 1317 the young man died in july or august that year and edward ii paid for his funeral in lincoln cathedral 3 there is no doubt that john was the eldest son as his mother named him as the first of her four sons in 1348 even though he had not been knighted by the time of his death and his brother william d 1344 was an earl and thus massively outranked him the fact that his father william the elder d 1319 arranged his rather than his brother the younger william s marriage to the heiress joan de verdon in april 1317 also indicates that he was the eldest son john s death in july august 1317 given that he had been married mere months before surely came as a shock to everyone and edward ii seems to have been deeply affected by it william second son earl of salisbury he was certainly born after 3 may 1300 as on 3 may 1321 edward ii called him a minor in the king s ward when he allowed him seisin of part of his inheritance and before 21 february 1302 as on 21 february 1323 he was granted full possession of his late father s lands as he had proved his age and done homage to the king sadly the proof of age which would give william s exact date of birth no longer exists though the royal order to hold it does and is dated 29 june 1322 it states that william says he is of full age which would place his date of birth before 29 june 1301 probably not too long before and that he was born in cassington carsyngton a village in oxfordshire not far from oxford at his father s inquisition post mortem in april may 1320 william was said rather vaguely to be seventeen or eighteen years old somewhat peculiarly edward ii s chamber account of 22 april 1326 states that william had permission from the king to travel to london because he was going to be dubbed a knight and the entry calls him a child in the keeping of the king s chamber william was certainly no longer a child in april 1326 and must have been twenty five or almost by then so i suspect this might be an error for his younger brother edward william married katherine grandisson d 1349 around 1327 and died on 30 january 1344 he was the father of another william montacute earl of salisbury b in donyatt somerset on 19 june 1328 d 1397 philippa countess of march d 1382 and several others 4 simon third son bishop of worcester and ely born in 1303 or 1304 he was a student at oxford by 29 november 1318 when a petition from edward ii to pope john xxii stated that he had not yet completed his fifteenth year he appears as simon de mountagu on 26 march 1317 when edward ii called him the king s cousin and clerk 5 simon was appointed bishop of worcester in late 1333 when he was probably not yet thirty and bishop of ely in 1337 he died in june 1345 edward fourth and youngest son most probably the godson of edward ii or at least named in his honour or was perhaps the godson of edward i if he was born before july 1307 edward montacute accompanied his father in 1318 19 when william the elder was made steward of gascony and he had a boat there called la peronelle which appears in edward ii s accounts if i m correct in thinking that the reference in edward ii s chamber account of april 1326 refers to edward montacute rather than his brother william he was knighted in london not long after 22 april 1326 or at least his knighting was planned then on the other hand an entry on the patent roll in march 1337 implies that he had recently been knighted by edward iii 6 he married edward i s granddaughter alice of norfolk in or before august 1338 and horribly beat her to death in the early 1350s their two young daughters were subsequently sent to live with their paternal grandmother elizabeth de montfort alice daubeney the eldest montacute daughter who married sir ralph daubeney or daubeny or daubenay of somerset b 3 march 1305 the son and heir of sir eli a s daubeney who died when his son was mere weeks old alice was the mother of sir giles daubeney d 1386 who was born outside england though i don t know where 7 the family name often appears in medieval records in its latin form de albiniaco mary cogan second daughter the identity of her husband is not known and i know absolutely nothing about her elizabeth montacute third daughter prioress of haliwell or holywell in shoreditch london from 1340 to 1357 a letter from the abbot of westminster dated 5 november 1334 states that elizabeth de monte acuto a girl of noble birth had entered the priory of halywell by london as a nun she had nothing of her own to provide for her food and clothing and they the abbot and convent of westminster out of pity for her poverty granted her an income of 100 shillings a year 8 hawise bavent fourth daughter she married roger bavent whose father roger bavent sr was born in sussex in march 1279 and was one of the men knighted with edward of caernarfon and hawise s father on 22 may 1306 roger jr died on 23 april 1355 and his widow hawise montacute was still alive on 13 october 1361 they had a son john twenty years old in june 1357 who died childless and a daughter joan who married sir john dauntsey 9 maud matilda montacute fifth daughter abbess of barking abbey from 1341 to 1352 the abbess of barking outranked all the other english abbesses and was always of noble birth according to the annales paulini maud s brother simon bishop of ely and sister elizabeth prioress of haliwell attended her consecration on 29 april 1341 10 isabel montacute sixth daughter who succeeded her sister maud as abbess of barking in 1352 and held the position until her death in 1358 isabel was succeeded by katherine sutton and then by her niece maud montacute the younger one of edward montacute and alice of norfolk s daughters the genealogics website and wikipedia give william montacute and elizabeth de montfort a seventh daughter katherine who married sir william carrington i don t know which primary source s confirm s that but it would be deeply odd if she alone was not mentioned in her mother s list of children in 1348 so without seeing primary source evidence i remain to be convinced that she existed genealogics also omits john montacute who lived into his teens and appears quite a few times on record the birth order of the four sons of elizabeth de montfort and william montacute d 1319 is clear as is the birth order of the six daughters but putting them together is basically impossible john montacute was the eldest son and alice montacute later daubeney was the eldest daughter but which of them was the eldest sibling or whether william the second son was 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