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nger later lord of glamorgan i don t know whether hugh despenser the elder had any real connection to john ellerker or whether the latter had merely persuaded a well known courtier and ally of edward ii to use his influence with the king i did find a connection between hugh the elder and walter gloucester the one who died in 1311 and was elizabeth luttrell s father in law on 5 february 1309 just months before this tragic situation occurred walter was one of the men who witnessed sir thomas gredley granting his manor of pirton to hugh the elder 11 as elizabeth was still named as daughter of geoffrey luttrell in july and august 1309 she evidently hadn t married the younger walter gloucester yet i m not sure what became of her after march 1324 when she and her father acknowledged a joint debt the year after she was widowed though i have wondered if the isabella nun of sempringham priory named as geoffrey s daughter in his will of 1345 might in fact be elizabeth the names isabella and elizabeth were often used interchangeably it would hardly seem surprising if elizabeth sought a religious life in widowhood after experiencing such a horrible attack in her youth whatever happened to her i sincerely hope she found some measure of happiness after surviving such an awful ordeal though her husband robbed the manors of at least two people and seems to have been pretty wild to be fair there s no evidence that walter gloucester harmed the people he stole from or was violent as noted above john ellerker sadly thrived after his abduction and rape of elizabeth becoming a rector and a canon it strikes me that he might also have been very young in 1309 albeit not as young as elizabeth a john ellerker archdeacon of cleveland appears on record several times in 1351 12 if this is the same man he was still active forty two years after 1309 and the situation reminds me somewhat of john berenger s rape and abduction of elizabeth hertrigg in 1318 when they were both about fourteen elizabeth s son walter gloucester the third probably born in 1315 married a woman named pernell and they had two sons john born around 1 august 1349 and peter born c 1354 55 walter died on 10 july 1360 and pernell at the beginning of 1362 their first son john died sometime in the eighteen months between his father s death and his mother s probably aged twelve and peter gloucester died on 24 september 1369 although peter had married a young woman called alice who received dower after his death he was only about fourteen or fifteen when he passed away and left no children 13 unless elizabeth luttrell had other children i haven t discovered her line ended with her two grandsons in the 1360s of her younger brothers andrew lived to be seventy seven geoffrey seems to have died young guy died before their father but left four sons and a daughter and robert became a knight hospitaller and was still alive in 1345 sources 1 early lincoln wills ed alfred gibbon pp 18 19 feet of fines cp 25 1 124 52 no 193 2 feet of fines cp 25 1 135 76 no 47 3 calendar of fine rolls 1307 19 pp 100 140 calendar of inquisitions post mortem 1307 17 no 350 calendar of close rolls 1307 13 pp 380 439 ccr 1330 33 pp 338 9 544 5 566 576 4 calendar of patent rolls 1321 24 p 58 5 cipm 1317 27 no 420 ccr 1333 37 p 603 cipm 1336 46 no 37 6 cpr 1313 17 p 410 7 cfr 1307 19 p 197 cipm 1317 27 no 420 cpr 1321 24 p 285 ccr 1323 27 pp 25 162 8 calendar of papal letters 1305 41 pp 243 253 ccr 1323 27 pp 19 44 53 9 ccr 1307 13 pp 160 61 10 cpr 1307 13 p 181 11 catalogue of ancient deeds vol 2 no a 3189 the national archives e 40 3189 12 calendar of papal letters 1342 62 p 431 petitions to the pope 1342 1419 pp 209 217 13 cipm 1352 60 no 597 cipm 1361 65 no 333 cipm 1365 69 no 356 cfr 1356 68 pp 133 245 6 cfr 1369 77 pp 56 68 ccr 1360 64 p 88 ccr 1369 74 p 131 posted by kathryn warner at 3 05 pm no comments email this blogthis share to x share to facebook share to pinterest older posts home subscribe to posts atom was edward ii murdered in 1327 or not find out in my book long live the king the mysterious fate of edward ii my isabella of france biography my book isabella of france the rebel queen was published on 15 march 2016 in europe and on 24 may in the us it can be purchased at amazon uk amazon us and amberley publishing my edward ii biography my book edward ii the unconventional king was released with amberley publishing on 28 october 2014 available on amazon uk amazon us book depository the guardian bookshop or directly from amberley search this blog translate copyright kathryn warner 2005 2026 my article about the earl of kent s plot to free edward ii in 1330 published in the english historical review in 2011 why william wallace was not the father of edward iii click here to find out why oh and why roger mortimer can t have been edward iii s father either and it s as sure as anything can be that edward ii was popular posts dear edward ii detractors death of edward ii edward and isabella s relationship how to write a novel about edward ii and isabella support group again for people maligned in histfict support group for people maligned in histfict support group for tragic queens ten commandments for writing about history top ten myths about edward and isabella about me kathryn warner i hold a ba and an ma with distinction in medieval history and literature view my complete profile effigy of edward ii caernarfon castle birthplace of edward ii factual posts on edward ii s life family and reign abduction of eleanor despenser 1329 abduction of elizabeth de burgh 1316 abduction of elizabeth hertrigg 1312 abduction of elizabeth luttrell 1309 abduction of john chaucer 1324 abduction of margaret audley 1336 abduction of margaret multon c 1316 adam edward s illegitimate son additional ordinances 1311 addressing the king adultery scandal in paris 1314 aftermath of boroughbridge 1322 aftermath of boroughbridge 1322 2 aftermath of piers gaveston s death ancestry ancestry 2 ancestry of queen isabella annulment of edward and isabella s marriage annulment of richard arundel and isabella despenser s marriage appearance appearance 2 attack on normandy and the french fleet 1326 attack on southampton 1321 attack on tickhill castle 1326 battle of bannockburn guest post being promiscuous with low born men betrothals betrothals 2 birth bodyguard books campaign against the contrariants 1321 22 1 campaign against the contrariants 1321 22 2 chamber accounts 1322 23 chamber accounts 1325 26 1 chamber accounts 1325 26 2 chamber accounts 1325 26 3 chamber accounts 1325 26 4 chamber staff 1 chamber staff 2 chamber staff 3 character and hobbies charges against the younger despenser 1326 childhood children of edward ii and isabella claim to castile and provence clothes fashion hairstyles competence in 1320 conception of edward and isabella s children contrariant miracles 1322 23 dead earls despenser war digging ditches early life edward and his father guest post edward and his niece eleanor de clare edward and his relationship with his children edward and isabella in fiction edward and isabella s relationship edward and isabella s relationship 2 edward and oxbridge edward digs ditches edward i and gilbert de clare s agreement 1290 edward saves isabella from a fire 1313 edward s brothers and sisters edward s feuds with bishops edward s four eldest nieces edward s relationship with hugh despenser the younger 1 edward s relationship with hugh despenser the younger 2 edward s secret female lover 1324 eleanor despenser edward and isabella elizabeth de burgh s protest 1326 eventful parliament of 1316 everything going wrong executed earls executions 1322 foreign parents of earls forms of address gaveston s first exile 1307 gaveston s funeral gaveston s insulting nicknames gaveston s return to england 1312 gaveston s second exile 1308 gaveston s third exile 1311 generosity geoffrey luttrell and an attack on sempringham priory 1312 gilbert middleton s attack on the cardinals 1317 godefroy de paris and edward and isabella s relationship great drought of 1326 great famine 1315 1317 heirs to the throne 1272 1330 hobbies 2 household household ordinance 1318 1 household ordinance 1318 2 huchon despenser goes hunting 1322 1 huchon despenser goes hunting 1322 2 hugh despenser and tonbridge castle 1315 hugh despenser assaulted isabella hugh despenser rescues margaret badlesmere hugh despenser the younger jousting overseas 1310 hugh despenser the younger s informants isabella and mortimer s relationship 1 isabella and mortimer s relationship 2 isabella and mortimer s relationship 3 isabella and mortimer s relationship 4 isabella of france and edward s favourites isabella of france and piers gaveston isabella of france s possessions isabella refuses to return to edward 1325 isabella piers and tynemouth 1312 isabella s speech at the french court 1325 john of gaunt and the lancastrian inheritance john of powderham the impostor jousting knowledge of english knowledge of far flung places knowledge of french and latin la rosere edward s london house langley priory law and order law and order 2 llywelyn bren s execution llywelyn bren s uprising in south wales 1316 marriage negotiations between england and france 1324 maternal family minstrels minstrels 2 misconceptions about hugh despenser the younger murder of alice of norfolk 1351 murder of robert holland 1328 murder of roger belers 1326 negotiations after piers gaveston s death non fiction about edward ordeals of elizabeth hertrigg 1312 and 1318 philippa of hainault s romanticising placename pronunciation guide plot against edward in the 1320s plot to free some contrariants 1323 plot to kill edward by necromancy 1323 24 ponthieu edward s inheritance possessions 1326 proofs of age proofs of age 2 proofs of age 3 proofs of age 4 rebellion in bristol 1316 1 rebellion in bristol 1316 2 roger mortimer to be executed in 1323 roger mortimer s escape from the tower 1323 royal connections rumours of the killing of hugh despenser the younger 1325 saracens and edward s gascon brother 1313 siege of berwick 1319 siege of caerphilly castle 1326 27 siege of caerphilly castle 1326 27 2 siege of leeds castle 1321 speeches telling the time and writing dates titles and lands tournament of wallingford treasure 1312 trial and execution of thomas of lancaster trip to france 1313 tynemouth 1322 victims of the despensers elizabeth comyn weather wedding preparations will of isabel of castile duchess of york d 1392 mythbusters edward abandoned isabella while she was pregnant edward allowed hugh despenser to rape isabella edward gave isabella s jewels to piers edward gave isabella s jewels to piers 2 edward removed isabella s children from her edward was a foppish weakling edward was trying to annul his marriage in 1325 isabella of france was not asked to take an oath to the despensers biographies alice de lacy countess of lincoln alice de lacy eble lestrange hugh frene alice de lacy s date of birth alice de toeni countess of warwick and juliana de leyburne countess of huntingdon alice de warenne countess of arundel alicia d avesnes alesia di saluzzo blanche d artois isabella vescy aline burnell amie gaveston andrew harclay earl of carlisle arthur and eleanor of brittany blanche of artois queen of navarre blanche of brittany champernounes and carminowes charles of valois charles of valois and louis of evreux children of charles of naples and marie of hungary children of charles of valois and louis of evreux children of hugh despenser the younger and eleanor de clare children of john hastings d 1313 children of richard fitzalan d 1302 children of richard earl of arundel d 1376 and eleanor of lancaster children of the damory brothers richard and roger constanza of castile duchess of lancaster donald earl of mar earls of atholl angus buchan dunbar fife strathearn edmund fitzalan earl of arundel edmund of lancaster d 1296 edward gilbert and john despenser edward s brothers in law edward s nieces and nephews eleanor d 1399 and mary d 1394 de bohun eleanor de clare lady despenser eleanor of castile queen of england eleanor of lancaster countess of arundel eleanor of provence queen of england guest post eleanor of woodstock and joan of the tower eleanor countess of bar elizabeth comyn and richard talbot elizabeth de clare elizabeth de montfort elizabeth stafford lady lestrange ferrers and cobham elizabeth countess of hereford and holland fernando iii of castile fisher family gilbert de clare earl of gloucester gilbert de clare lord of thomond giles argentein henry of grosmont duke of lancaster 1 henry of grosmont duke of lancaster 2 henry of grosmont duke of lancaster 3 henry of lancaster henry of lancaster s grandchildren henry percy 1273 1314 henry lord beaumont hugh audley hugh despenser the elder hugh despenser the younger hugh despenser the younger s siblings hugh mortimer d 1304 and his brother william la zouche d 1337 hugh lord despenser d 1349 iberian kings illegitimate children of the earl of surrey illegitimate sons of thomas of lancaster isabel hastings isabel macduff countess of buchan isabel and joan de clare mary de monthermer countess of fife isabel of castile queen of aragon and duchess of brittany isabella mortimer isabelle holland joan and elizabeth comyn joan and elizabeth comyn 2 joan and isabella de verdon elizabeth damory joan gaveston joan martin and nicholas audley joan of acre countess of gloucester joan of kent and her siblings joan of ponthieu queen of castile john beaumont d 1342 john de warenne and jeanne de bar earl and countess of surrey john hastings d 1325 juliana leyburne and their descendants john haudlo in 1315 john le boteler john norton and john redmere john of lancaster d 1317 edward s cousin john of newminster and john of towcester juan manuel lord of peñafiel and beatriz queen of portugal juan lord of biscay and beatriz of montferrat juliana de leyburne and juliane de sandwich laurence hastings earl of pembroke and his illegitimate brother william hastings malcolm musard margaret de clare countess of cornwall and gloucester margaret gatesden john camoys and william paynel margaret hydon d 1357 margaret of scotland queen of norway margaret wake countess of kent margaret countess of cornwall d 1312 and margaret lady badlesmere margaret duchess of brabant margaret duchess of norfolk marguerite of france queen of england marie de st pol countess of pembroke marie of brabant maria de molina marie of hungary marriages of the two hugh despensers mary nun of amesbury master richard of gloucester and katherine of st albans maud chaworth and her daughters maud clifford john the irishman and robert de welle maud fitzalan and maud burnell maud of lancaster countess of ulster maurice berkeley and elizabeth despenser mowbray family northern european male relatives of edward ii oliver of bordeaux oreby family otto bodrugan 1290 1331 philip despenser d 1313 and his descendants philip despenser 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