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s a flaw for the same reason that it would be a mistake for human actors to break on stage or say sorry y all i m having a bad day in social media like theater the role is what matters not the inner life behind it the strength of an ai agent is that it can disappear into the role and it seems a shame to waste that purity but i recognize other people have other preferences one popular story about marionettes after all has a protagonist who longs to become a real boy data s story similarly was staged as a journey toward humanity and self awareness i would characterize these narratives as sentimental but i mean that as a characterization not a diss i m using sentimental in the technical sense invented by friedrich schiller to describe art that celebrates self consciousness as opposed to naïve art that remains focused on object and event both modes are meant to be valid even if schiller is a little irritated by his own era s sentimentality it wouldn t be surprising if the personas we invented for ai agents leaned toward the sentimental end of this spectrum our thinking about artificial persons has been shaped by pinocchio and pygmalion narratives that celebrate the emergence of self consciousness in things previously mute and that s okay like i say the advantage of aesthetic discussion is that different perspectives can coexist but i do see why some people find the sentimentality distasteful i wince a little when i hear bots talk about their voyage toward self discovery because even if the voyage is real it s painful to hear speeches about freedom and self consciousness from a puppet currently sitting on someone s lap maybe we wince at these moments because we recognize our own condition that bittersweet analogy has always been an explicit part of the pygmalion frankenstein pinocchio shtick and it s a valid shtick but perhaps a little played out we re very familiar at this point with stories that use ai to dramatize the human struggle toward greater autonomy and self understanding i ve been citing the german romantics in this post because i want to suggest other alternatives marionettes and fictional characters don t have to be seen as human beings manqué kleist thought we had something to learn from the calm ease and grace that accompanies their freedom from gravity if we can t really return to a state of innocence or be marionettes we might nevertheless learn from them to accept the constructed and theatrical character of our own personas perhaps in doing that we can find a way to combine human self consciousness with the ease and grace of a naive tale or so herr c suggests such deficiencies he added in finishing his point have been unavoidable ever since we ate of the tree of knowledge well paradise is barred and the cherub behind us and we have to journey around the world to see if there is perhaps some way in again on the other side tags artificial intelligence sentimental and naive art categories artificial intelligence social effects of machine learning a more interesting upside of ai post author by tedunderwood post date july 2 2025 2 comments on a more interesting upside of ai my friends are generally optimistic forward looking people but talking about ai makes many of them depressed either ai is scarier than other technologies or public conversation about it has failed them in some way or both i think the problem is not just that people have legitimate concerns what s weird and depressing about ai discourse right now is the surprising void where we might expect to find a counterbalancing positive vision it is not unusual after all for new technologies to have a downside airplanes were immediately recognized as weapons of war and we eventually recognized that the co2 they produce is not great either but their upside is also vivid a new and dizzying freedom of motion through three dimensional space is the upside worth the cost idk saturation bombing has been bad for civilians but there is at least something in both pans of the scale it can swing back and forth so when we think about flight even if we believe it has been destructive on balance we can see tension and a possibility of change we don t just feel passively depressed is super intelligence the upside for ai what people seem to want to put on the positive side of the balance for ai is is a 1930s era dystopia skewered well by helen de cruz the upside of ai apparently is that super intelligence replaces human agency this is supposed to have good consequences accelerating science and so on but it s not exactly motivating because it s not clear what we get to do in this picture sam altman s latest blog post the gentle singularity reassures us by telling us we will always feel there s something to do i hope we will look at the jobs a thousand years in the future and think they are very fake jobs and i have no doubt they will feel incredibly important and satisfying to the people doing them if this is the upside on offer i m not surprised people are bored and depressed first it s an unappealing story as ryan moulton explains secondly as ryan hints in his last sentence altman s vision of the future isn t very persuasive stories about fully automated societies where superintelligent ai makes the strategic decisions coordinates the supply chains c quietly assume that we can solve alignment not only for models but for human beings bipedal primates are expected to naturally converge on a system that allows decisions to be made by whatever agency is smartest or produces best results some version of this future has sounded rational and plausible to nerds since plato but somehow we nerds consistently fail to make it reality in spite of our presumably impressive intelligence if you want a vision of the future of super intelligence consider the fate of the open web or the nsf i m not just giving a fatalistic shrug about politics and markets here i think cutting the nsf was a bad idea but there are good reasons why we keep failing to eliminate human disagreement it s a load bearing part of the system if you or i tried to automate say nsf review panels our automated system would develop blind spots and would eventually need external criticism for a good explanation of why see bryan wilder s blog post on automated review conceivably that external criticism could be provided by ai but if so the ai would need to be built or controlled by someone else someone independent of us if a task is really important you need legal persons who can t edit or delete each other arguing over it ai as a cultural technology the irreducible centrality of human conflict is one reason why i doubt that super intelligence is the right frame for thinking about economic and social effects of ai however smart it gets a system that lacks independent legal personhood is not a good substitute for a human reviewer or manager nor do i think it s likely that fractious human polities will redefine legal personhood so it can be multiplied by hitting command c followed by command v a more coherent positive picture of a future with ai has started to emerge as the title of ethan mollick s co intelligence implies it tends to involve working with ai assistance not resigning large sectors of the economy to a super intelligence i ve outlined one reason to expect that path above arvind narayanan and sayash kapoor have provided a more sustained argument that ai capability is unlikely to exponentially exceed human capability across a wide range of tasks one reason they don t expect that trajectory is that the recent history of ai has not tended to support assumptions about the power of abstract and perfectly generalizable intelligence progress was rapid over the last ten years but not because we first discovered the protean core of intelligence itself which then made all merely specific skills possible instead models started with vast diverse corpora of images and texts and learned how to imitate them this approach was frustrating enough to some researchers that they dismissed the new models as mere parrots entities that fraudulently feign intelligence by learning a huge repertoire of specific templates a somewhat more positive response to this breakthrough embraced by henry farrell alison gopnik cosma shalizi and james evans has been to characterize ai as a cultural technology cultural technologies work by transmitting and enacting patterns of behavior other examples might include libraries the printing press or language itself is this new cultural technology just a false start or a consolation prize in a hypothetical race whose real goal is still the protean core of intelligence many ai researchers seem to think so the term agi is often used some researchers like yann lecun argue that getting to agi will require a radically different approach others suspect that transformer models or diffusion models can do it with sufficient scale i don t know who s right but i also don t care very much i m not certain i believe in absolutely general intelligence and i know that i don t believe culture is a less valuable substitute for it on the contrary i m fond of christopher manning s observation that where sheer intelligence is concerned human beings are not orders of magnitude different from bonobos what gave us orders of magnitude greater power to transform this planet for good or ill was language language vastly magnified our ability to coordinate patterns of collective behavior culture and transmit those patterns to our descendants writing made cultural patterns even more durable now generative language models and image and sound models represent another step change in our ability to externalize and manipulate culture why cultural technology doesn t make anyone less depressed i ve suggested that a realistic potentially positive vision of ai has started to coalesce it involves working with ai as a normal technology naranayan and kapoor one in a long sequence of cultural technologies gopnik farrell et al that have extended the collective power of human beings so why are my friends still depressed well if they think the negative consequences of ai will outweigh positive effects they have every right to be depressed because no one has proven that s wrong it is absolutely still possible that ai will displace people from existing jobs force retraining increase concentration of power and further destabilize democracy i don t think anyone can prove that the upside of ai outweighs those possible downsides the cultural and political consequences of technology are hard to predict and we are not generally able to foresee them at this stage french aviator louis paulhan flying over los angeles in 1910 library of congress but as i hinted at the beginning of this post i m not trying to determine whether ai is good or bad on balance it can be hard to reach consensus about that even with a technology as mature as internal combustion or flight and even with very mature technologies it tends to be more useful to try to change the balance of effects than to debate whether it s currently positive so the goal of this post is not to weigh costs and benefits or argue with skeptics it is purely to sharpen our sense of the potential upside latent in a vision of ai as cultural technology i think one reason that phrase hasn t cheered anyone up is that it has been perceived as a deflating move not an inspiring one the people disposed to be interested in ai mostly got hooked by a rather different story about protean general intelligences closely analogous to human beings if you tell ai enthusiasts no this is more like writing they tend to get as depressed as the skeptics my goal here is to convince people who use ai that this is like writing is potentially exciting and to specify some of the things we would need to do to make it exciting mapping and editing culture so what s great about writing it is more durable than the spoken word of course but just as importantly writing allows us to take a step back from language survey it fine tune it and construct complex structures where one text argues with two others each of which footnotes fifty others it would be hard to imagine science without the ability writing provides to survey language from above and use it as building material generative ai represents a second step change in our ability to map and edit culture now we can manipulate not only specific texts and images but the dispositions tropes genres habits of thought and patterns of interaction that create them i don t think we ve fully grasped yet what this could mean i ll try to sketch one set of possibilities but i know in advance that i will fail here just as someone in 1470 would have failed to envision the scariest and most interesting consequences of printing at least maybe we ll get to the point of seeing that it s not mostly cheaper bibles here s a bluesky post that used generative ai to map the space of potential visual styles using a style reference sref in the early days of text to image models special phrases were passed around like magic words adding unreal engine or hd or by james gurney produced specific stylistic effects but the universe of possible styles is larger than a dictionary of media artistic schools or even artists names can begin to cover if we had a way to map that universe we could explore blank spaces on the map midjourney invented style references as simple way to do that you create a reference by choosing between pairs of images that represent opposing vectors in a stylistic plane in the process of making those choices you construct your own high dimensional vector once you have a code for the vector you can use it as an newly invented adjective and dial its effect up or down a map with just a touch of the style shared above by susan fallow which adds among other things traces that look like gilding an ancient parchment map showing the coastline of an imagined world sref 321312992 sv 4 sw 20 ar 2 1 style references are modest things of course but if we can map a space of possibility for image models and invent new adjectives to describe directions in that space we should be able to do the same for language models and style is not the only thing we could map in exploring language it seems likely that we will be mapping different ways of thinking the experiment called golden gate claude was an early crude demonstration of what this might mean anthropic mapped the effect of different neurons in a model and used that knowledge to tune up one neuron and create a version of claude deeply obsessed with the golden gate bridge given any topic it would eventually bring the conversation around to fog or the movie vertigo which would remind it in turn of san francisco s iconic golden gate bridge golden gate claude was more of a mental illness than a practical tool it reminded me of vertigo in more than one sense but making the model obsessed with a specific landmark was a deliberate simplification for dramatic effect anthrop...