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aid and i saw several cases where a person got targeted and got out of the raid since that s usually what those mechanics do queue raid wipe 2 iron juggernaut had the tank debuff of course and in the second phase a person kiting the laser over the tar while the pulse was going off could wipe the raid 3 dark shamans had several more examples where one bad tank could screw over the raid taunt swap slime placement ashan wall placement etc individual raid members could run foul stream over a large chunk of the raid and if people were at lower health due to the falling ash landing 25 it could easily kill quite a few people and lead to a wipe 4 nazgrim had another tank swap and if a person or two decided to stand in aftershocks and dps the boss during defensive stance you could easily get some ravagers flying which that person or two would then stand in and you get more ravagers and oh god the axes 5 malkorok had another tank swap and required people to soak the puddles in theory anyone can get in any puddle but in practice everyone can t run across the entire room to get the puddle next to that oblivious mage a person or two not soaking the puddles could lead to a wipe then we had the displaced energy debuff during blood rage i don t want to count the times i saw everyone with the debuff stay in the raid and then the raid just exploded 6 thok had a tank swap technically could be solo tanked but made the fight much harder and of course the fixate in phase 2 raise your hand if you saw someone get chased by thok and they just led him through the entire raid yeah 7 paragons had the kuchongs which people could either stand next to and get mesmerized into or they could just flat out run into the kuchongs either way you got the mature kuchongs which sucked to deal with and i saw them wipe some groups technically you could often handle them as long as you didn t get more than one or two but still a major problem so yeah soo had a lot of mechanics that relied on individuals following them to not wipe the raid or at least cause major problems which sometimes resulted in a wipe regarding brackenspore i don t know what class you play ed but flamethrowers technically should be a dps increase if you do them correctly as a ranged dps at least might be a dps loss for melee don t remember at this point this next part is talking about za zg in cataclysm previously i pointed out that while he said the gear was nowhere close to the raids that had come out they were only 6 ilvls below the normal raid difficulty at the time the dungeons came out during blackwing descent bastion of twilight throne of the four winds matth wrote except for the valor and weapons they were terrible justice got you 346 blues valor 359 purples the only slot you couldn t fill with valor gear was the main hand drops in the zul s terrible as catch up content especially considering they were the only weapon drops available outside a raid until patch 4 3 dungeons imagine how many people spent a whole year with one weapon i don t understand what you expected out of them valor gave gear equal to normal raids current heroic difficulty and had a weekly limit you could only get one item every week or two did you expect za zg to also give gear equal to normal raids despite being easier and on a daily lockout you might be able to eventually fill most slots with valor but that would take months to do even one item per week on average would be 14 weeks for a full valor set that s 3 5 months of capping valor every week again normal bd bot totfw tier 11 which was the current content you had nothing to catch up to at the time was tuned around 346 blues za zg gave 353 gear it was amazing catch up content in that regard though whether they were too difficult is another story meaning za zg were too difficult for their intended audience i loved them personally then you mention 4 3 in a manner that makes me think you re trying to talk about zg za as catch up content for both tier 11 and firelands i don t see how that makes any sense given that zg za were released before firelands was the current content so now if we re talking firelands catch up content when firelands came out there was a new selection of valor gear while the old valor gear became purchasable for justice meaning you could get ton of 359 items from justice some 365 items from the molten front and 378 items from valor weapon wise you could get a 365 weapon from blacksmithing boe so could buy it on ah as i recall if people spent an entire year with one weapon from za zg then they weren t raiding otherwise they d have a tier 11 or firelands weapon and didn t care enough to buy a crafted weapon so i m really not sure what to say here cataclysm za zg all certainly had some flaws but what you re talking about doesn t seem to have been a major issue next up we have dungeon either dropped or valor type rewards vs lfr gear the previous question was dragon soul lfr dropped 384 with tier trinkets etc the dungeons with the same patch dropped 378 are you claiming that no one was running those 378 dungeons for catch up alternate progression matth wrote no but i do claim people won t now if anything it s the opposite of cata lfr lfr gear is obsolete within a few weeks because of the tanaan gearing those people who are looking to get into a normal run would see more upgrades from the outdoor grind than from lfr it s almost a direct violation of the rng as content argument that blizzard trots out constantly it s certainly more likely to get you the items you need and not extend out play time for most lfr players except maybe hunters looking to transmog that god awful tier set sad that the lfr mail set actually looks better a major thing you re missing here is the time investment the vast majority of people who only run lfr dungeons are not going to be doing all of the the dailies every single day even if you did do all the dailies every day and earned say 6667 crystals per day i don t know how accurate that number is i basically just tripled the main quest s rewards it would still take a minimum of 45 days to get just the upgrade items themselves well technically 42 if you also do the garrison campaign for tanaan since you get a free upgrade item then you also need another 5000 crystals per slot you didn t get a drop reward of and 10000 for a weapon slot in particular this is also assuming a 2h or ranged weapon add some more time in if you use two unique weapon slots that is a massive amount of time invested right there whereas lfr takes significantly less time relative to the rewards given that s the paradigm lfr will gear you far more quickly with less effort but the gear is random and a lot of it is worse than the tanaan empowered gear then you can fill any slots missing with empowered gear and or crafted gear if you want also lfr is not supposed to be extended out blizzard specifically wants people who only do lfr to get through it quickly and then unsubscribe if they so wish not drag out a gear grind in it they said they d rather have a person generally enjoy their lfr gearing experience and be wanting to resubscribe for the next patch rather than have that person miserable and hating lfr and quitting wow entirely now we have a discussion of catching up in wod and i pointed out that if your goal is to raid then in 6 0 and 6 1 catching up was never easier in the history of wow however it did require doing lfr and normal and or heroic of older raids in addition to other things like crafting apexis gear and so on and since hm brf was the current tier there wasn t really anything to catch up to if you weren t raiding matth wrote not a huge fan of raiding the same raid to raid raids should be what you strive for not what you do to do more of what you ve done grinding lfr to grind normal to grind heroic this expansion and cataclysm are the two that essentially ask you to do that since blizzard established catch up mechanisms before that you had faction grinds and dungeons content outside of the raids themselves where did i ever say grind lfr to grind normal to grind heroic we were discussing someone trying to catch up as quickly as possible here to normal heroic raiding between 630 dungeon blues 640 challenge mode epics up to three 670 crafted items various 655 boes 640 lfr highmaul items and potentially even some apexis gear you could easily be ready for normal hell even heroic highmaul within a week of hitting 100 i trust you re not saying that potentially doing highmaul lfr one time for an item or three due to being behind the curve is a grind that s not even getting into the conquest items either which were 660 i believe matth wrote look all i want is gear progression that lets me test myself that i can do with 4 friends without having to find 5 25 more that is new content not rehashed warmed over tired material now all i have is the hope that i don t get into a group of mouthbreathers in a normal raid after spending an hour in group finder asking every open group if they need a dps and no other content short of that i m not trying to convince you that you aren t having fun that you aren t enjoying yourself all i am trying to get across is that this expac feels skimpy if you aren t either a raider or don t care about social play outside of rp i d probably be fine with mythic dungeons had i not exhausted my tolerance of them long ago simply because they were the only thing to do i would think that you d like to see me and others like me happy so that we keep subbed and you keep getting the content you like we don t know below what threshold they won t be able to pay the people who make your favored content even though ffxiv can do it with less than 4 million subs so you probably aren t close but i hope you never stop raiding because there s nothing else right now have you considered using a site like openraid rather than the group finder you re a lot more likely to find quality groups there that lack the mouthbreathers you mention i know you said you don t have a set schedule but you don t have to go to the same run every week or something and i m not sure why you re trying to get that across to me i ve said multiple times through the comments i left that i agreed that if you tried to play wod at max level solo and didn t want to do anything besides daily quests normal heroic dungeons and lfr that there was very little to do things like if your goal is to do solo content some five man normal heroic dungeons and then an occasional lfr then yeah wod would suck for you very little max level solo content mostly a weekly quest chain that took probably less than an hour per week quickly obsoleted normal heroic dungeons and lfr intentionally watered down to pure tourist mode on the flip side if you re interested in normal heroic mythic raiding then raiding has literally never been better or easier to get into for example someone who mainly does dungeons max level solo content would have loathed wod and for good reason from their perspective the problem was that if you take all of them together you wind up gutting the game for people who don t want to engage in organized group content at any level of difficulty pvp or pve and their experience sucks they basically just took away stuff from the solo player and added it to other sections of the game raids are better than ever for many reasons but didn t replace the stuff for solo players with anything those players wanted where did i disagree pretty sure i ve said multiple times that wod massively lacked stuff the solo players were used to so yeah that said what would make you happy azuriel said he d be happy with 2 3 new harder dungeons per raid with better rewards and all dungeons giving valor basically the icc patch but every patch but presumably mostly doing the same dungeons over and over again with a few new ones added into the pool each raid tier for a renewing valor gear grind would fall into the category of rehashed warmed over tired stuff for you i personally can t imagine doing an entire expansion of that for the record so his solution wouldn t satisfy you what do you think is a reasonable solution posted by balkoth at 7 09 am 2 comments email this blogthis share to x share to facebook share to pinterest saturday july 4 2015 been rather busy but a cross post i apologize for the vast delay on well anything happening here rl has been busy wow has been busy other games have kept me busy a few things of note 1 my guild got 13 13h week one of hellfire citadel on two nights a week which was technically us 30th despite killing archimonde on monday night at about 11 pm cst very happy about that we prepared a lot no ptr testing didn t work for our schedule sun mon is fun and it paid off 2 i was interviewed on the twisted nether blogcast so if you want to hear me ramble on for two hours feel free to check it out 3 i m still running weekly openraid runs switched to normal hellfire citadel with the release of 6 2 may possibly switch to heroic a few months down the line but we stick with normal until we re full clearing it consistently and people don t need much gear from it if you re new there s no guarantee you ll have a spot some weeks we have like 20ish some weeks we re at the max of 30 but if you re interested then feel free to sign up the run is meant for anyone have a mix of casual members in guild alts in guild bored mains in guild and friends both on and off server that said like the description says it is normal and thus you need to be willing to well actually try we don t expect perfection or even anything remotely close to it but if you show up completely unenchanted with empty sockets and try to afk fights well i m working on another post at the moment but i got distracted by what wound up being a very a long comment on another blog so i decided to post said comment here as well in general i ve been enjoying wod and particularly the raids i hardly think the expansion is perfect both the garrison and shipyard have many issues for example but i admit it annoys me when i see people try to pick on wod unjustifiably stick to the justifiable stuff please so i saw this post and left the following comment i don t think this is exactly fair wod will clearly be marked as the expansion with the least amount of content since launch 2 5 raid tiers 8 dungeons no races no classes garrisons which killed cities ashran which put the final nail in open world pvp a near complete destruction of crafting but we got selfies 1 wod launched with shadowmoon valley frostfire ridge i ll combine them as they re mostly faction specific even though they each took an entire s zone of work gorgrond talador spires of arak and nagrand so that s five main zones for leveling and i d also point out that many of those are larger than past leveling zones bc launched with seven best case hellfire zangarmarsh terokkar nagrand blade s edge netherstorm shadowmoon terokkar blade s edge were both smaller zones and netherstorm ...