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talk source code wikipedia jump to content main menu main menu move to sidebar hide navigation main page contents current events random article about wikipedia contact us contribute help learn to edit community portal recent changes upload file special pages search search appearance donate create account log in personal tools donate create account log in contents move to sidebar hide top 1 software anomalies 2 comments 2 human readable 11 comments 3 recent edits 2 comments 4 wiki99 summary 1 comment 5 merge of source file after afd 1 comment toggle the table of contents talk source code add languages page contents not supported in other languages add topic article talk english read edit view history tools tools move to sidebar hide actions read edit add topic view history general what links here related changes upload file permanent link page information get shortened url switch to legacy parser print export download as pdf printable version in other projects appearance move to sidebar hide from wikipedia the free encyclopedia latest comment 1 month ago by abcsxyz in topic merge of source file after afd this is the talk page for discussing improvements to the source code article this is not a forum for general discussion of the subject of the article add new text under old text new to wikipedia welcome learn to edit get help start a new topic assume good faith be polite and avoid personal attacks be welcoming to newcomers seek dispute resolution if needed article policies neutral point of view no original research verifiability find sources google books news scholar free images wp refs fens jstor twl archives 1 auto archiving period 3 months this level 5 vital article is rated c class on wikipedia s content assessment scale it is of interest to multiple wikiprojects computer science high importance this article is within the scope of wikiproject computer science a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of computer science related articles on wikipedia if you would like to participate please visit the project page where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks computer science wikipedia wikiproject computer science template wikiproject computer science computer science high this article has been rated as high importance on the project s importance scale things you can help wikiproject computer science with here are some tasks awaiting attention article requests requested articles applied arts and sciences computer science computing and internet cleanup computer science articles needing attention computer science articles needing expert attention copyedit computing expand computer science infobox computer science articles without infoboxes maintain timeline of computing 2020 present photo find pictures for the biographies of computer scientists see list of computer scientists computing articles needing images stubs computer science stubs unreferenced wikiproject computer science unreferenced blps project related tag all relevant articles in category computer science and sub categories with wikiproject computer science computing high importance this article is within the scope of wikiproject computing a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of computers computing and information technology on wikipedia if you would like to participate please visit the project page where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks computing wikipedia wikiproject computing template wikiproject computing computing high this article has been rated as high importance on the project s importance scale technology technology portal this article is within the scope of wikiproject technology a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of technology on wikipedia if you would like to participate please visit the project page where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks technology wikipedia wikiproject technology template wikiproject technology technology software computing this article is within the scope of wikiproject software a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of software on wikipedia if you would like to participate please visit the project page where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks software wikipedia wikiproject software template wikiproject software software this article has not yet received a rating on the project s importance scale this article is supported by wikiproject computing software anomalies edit latest comment 7 years ago 2 comments 2 people in discussion hello my addition to the see also link anomaly_in_software was removed on 24th december please rethink because i think this would be appropriate reason anomalies bugs are also often in sourcecode besides being in docs and somewhere else i give in the article different examples like data flow anomaly and control flow anomaly i would appreciate any discussion on the matter thx erkan yilmaz evaluate me discussion 15 32 27 december 2006 utc reply please tell me if my software is updated please cause some funtions doesn t work elizabeth magdalena miccadei talk 07 42 20 december 2018 utc reply human readable edit latest comment 9 years ago 11 comments 3 people in discussion i ve seen that rp removed here the assertion that source code is human readable how is it debatable that source code can be naturally read by humans the moment it can t be naturally read it ceases to be source code but an intermediate representation also human readable is opposed to machine readable which is explicitly understood as not source code diego talk 10 15 9 march 2012 utc reply this is debatable because one person s intermediate form may be another person s source code e g some people program in assembly language others only use it as an intermediate form most lisp is compiled to a different form but dedicated lisp machines have been built etc and all programming languages must be learnt to a highly varying extent before they can be read by humans furthermore source code is machine interpretable it s just that in most but not all cases the machine does so by first interpreting or compiling the code to a form it can interpret directly i removed the phrase specifically because the existing formulation human readable computer programming language suggests that all source code is in a programming language which is not true there are also programming languages which are not human readable which is debatable and text written in those is not called source code which is also debatable and i didn t see a good way to fix those problems it would be better to fix them i do agree that source code is code written in a language designed to be more human readable than say code in binary form as interpreted by machines rp talk 15 14 9 march 2012 utc reply rp what you say about each person s knowledge is true but unrelated to the topic what you describe are high and low level programming languages which are a different beast the source machine code distinction has always been about the initial form in which the programmer works at whatever the abstraction level even for machine code there is a distinction between assembly language which is the text that the programmer edits and the binary code created by the assembler when the programmer enter a memory dump in hex to tweak individual memory cells that is not a programming language nor considered the source the moment the text is detached from its symbolic human readable representation and parsed by the interpreter compiler it s transformed into an abstract syntax tree that is no longer human readable and usually only exists in memory and then it s no source code anymore even in lisp where the language and the program and the ast share the same structure there is a difference between the symbols as sequences as characters in source code and the symbols as references in the compiled memory structure some processes can mud the waters a bit think java to bytecode bytecode to a jit binary to micro ops to transistor signals but only the first one is the source in short i find that the current version addresses your concerns and it s accurate it s debatable that there are programming languages that are not human readable i can think of jacquard looms and music boxes but in that case we couldn t say that they have source code diego talk 16 09 9 march 2012 utc reply it s not accurate e g the untrue assertion that all source code consists of instructions statements or declarations has crept back in rp talk 16 16 9 march 2012 utc reply good call though the lead doesn t say that all source code is instructions mentioning comments is sensible diego talk 16 37 9 march 2012 utc reply why there isn t a section for commentary btw diego talk 16 39 9 march 2012 utc reply the issue is not just comments but also the fact that many languages are not imperative programming languages e g html elements prolog clauses ini file entries etc etc are not instructions they may be called declarations but it is not customary to do so rp talk 13 27 12 march 2012 utc reply ah i understand your concern however i think as long as some text is called source code that s because it s seen as instructions to a computer even if those instructions are declarative in nature your html example would be instrutions to display a rendered web page in a browser this uses the meaning of instructions in english not the technical jargon meaning to instructions available in a processor s instructions set or a programming language s api diego talk 16 20 12 march 2012 utc reply the act of instructing teaching or furnishing with information or knowledge certainly there s furnishing of information but what is the act rp talk 21 33 12 march 2012 utc reply je suis très content de vous réservoir daphis wesley talk 17 45 19 april 2017 utc reply je suis très content de vous réservoir daphis wesley talk 17 45 19 april 2017 utc reply recent edits edit latest comment 2 years ago 2 comments 2 people in discussion timhowardriley the rewrite of the first paragraph was less than good the text source code is a plain text computer program is incorrect source code does not imply a program one writes a program in source code but one can write source code without writing a program also saying a programmer writes the human readable source code is not wrong but is awkward and begs the question who writes the non human readable code you are trying to include the notion that source code is human readable and that it s written by a programmer a human but the two things are awkward to say together like that the translation process can be implemented three ways is wrong there are three described but there are an infinite number of ways to do it you italicized source code several times that seem out of place further you were not consistent with it your comment removed immaterial information from intro is contentious i think the info you removed was notable maybe didn t belong in the intro but certainly not immaterial i think you struggle with technical writing and writing in general i think the original text could be written better but unfortunately you made it worse we have spoken before and you were argumentative i recall i m guessing you will be the same now stevebroshar talk 12 26 31 july 2024 utc reply i think that starting off a discussion with personal attacks is a terrible way to work with others to try to reach a consensus mrollie talk 12 33 31 july 2024 utc reply wiki99 summary edit latest comment 2 years ago 1 comment 1 person in discussion summary of changes as a result of the wiki99 project before after diff large scale rewrite from reliable sources fixing unsourced content issues added background section to explain the origin and purpose of source code added quality section to cover how source code quality is evaluated and how it is useful to software developers split purposes section to add coverage of important subtopics such as use of source code for cost estimation communication and modification of software improve the section on copyright and licensing based on reliable sources to be less us centric further possibilities for improvement expand article with more information get the article to good article status buidhe paid talk 05 51 5 august 2024 utc reply merge of source file after afd edit latest comment 1 month ago 1 comment 1 person in discussion following the afd on source files page which resulted on a redirect i merge the previous content 1368633959 as recommended by the closing admin related to the use of source files in software documents hardware fonts images according to the claim of people not my position source files in all of these domains are source code which legitimate their place here as also relying on a transformation process leading to consensus that readers would be better served by learning about both on the same page cf admin i do it while considering it a strong conceptual inconsistency wp scope wp commonname following the administrators decision who noted some content may be worth preserving despite closing against a dedicated article i warmly invite you to share your point of view regarding the relevance of the content in this page regarding the evolution and the consensus the closer suggested renaming the target though it remains unclear whether this seriously refers to renaming the source code article itself or split when the situation becomes untenable handled by someone other than me abcsxyz talk 02 07 12 august 2026 utc reply retrieved from https en wikipedia org w index php title talk source_code oldid 1368973899 categories c class level 5 vital articles wikipedia level 5 vital articles in technology c class vital articles in technology c class computer science articles high importance computer science articles wikiproject computer science articles c class computing articles high importance computing articles all computing articles c class technology articles wikiproject technology articles c 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