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ussion please stop your disruptive editing if you are engaged in an article content dispute with another editor discuss the matter with the editor at their talk page or the article s talk page and seek consensus with them alternatively you can read wikipedia s dispute resolution page and ask for independent help at one of the relevant noticeboards if you are engaged in any other form of dispute that is not covered on the dispute resolution page seek assistance at wikipedia s administrators noticeboard incidents if you continue to disrupt wikipedia as you did at donald trump photo op at st john s church you may be blocked from editing specifico talk 20 50 8 april 2023 utc reply i am improving the quality of the article i would ask that you please stop your vandalism ock raz talk 20 56 8 april 2023 utc reply april 2023 edit latest comment 3 years ago 12 comments 3 people in discussion this is your only warning if you make personal attacks on others again you may be blocked from editing without further notice comment on content not on other contributors or people acroterion talk 21 00 8 april 2023 utc reply are you addressing me what do you believe constitutes an attack ock raz talk 21 03 8 april 2023 utc reply i certainly am stop calling editors who disagree with you vandals and get consensus for your edits before trying to edit war them in acroterion talk 21 06 8 april 2023 utc reply i take exception to that i characterized an edit only after that editor had done the same to me unless you re handing out warnings accross the board you are out of line ock raz talk 21 11 8 april 2023 utc reply ps there s no need for consensus when one is merely bringing the lede into agreement with what is in the body of an article s text frankly this consensus rigamarole is pretty clearly a way to justify using the introduction to frame an issue ock raz talk 21 15 8 april 2023 utc reply i see a warning for disruptive editing just up the page that s not the same thing as vandalism which frequently involves the word poop consensus is compulsory not rigamarole stop trying to win disagreements with name calling acroterion talk 21 26 8 april 2023 utc reply so you re saying i could have said he was a disruptor just not a vandal ock raz talk 21 31 8 april 2023 utc reply edit warring against consensus is generally seen as disruptive so i think that s a fair assessment of your present conduct describing other editors as vandals implies that their contributions are not in good faith or are intentionally damaging that is certainly not the case with specifico nor with you you are clearly editing in an attempt to better the encyclopedia too but you are trying to bypass consensus and are calling other editors names that s disruptive acroterion talk 21 36 8 april 2023 utc reply i do not agree with your use of the term name calling characterization of edits is fair game and that is what i did not call someone a name i probably did use the wrong term in how i characterized i d not thought of vandalism in terms of four letter words or being scatological i ll acknowledge making a mistake about the categories of unhelpful edits i should have said specifico was engaged in disruptive editing i have not engaged in name calling and i will thank you to stop falsely and repeatedly saying that i have ock raz talk 21 56 8 april 2023 utc reply ockraz you are welcome to make a case on the article talk page where three editors disagree with you and provided evidence for their claims please stop this pestering acroterion on their talk page you were warned about making personal attacks so making more of them is probably not helpful thank you drmies talk 02 07 9 april 2023 utc reply this isn t a dispute about evidence it s a dispute about who has a burden of proof ock raz talk 03 30 9 april 2023 utc reply you have been blocked from editing from certain pages user talk acroterion for a period of 1 week for harassment once the block has expired you are welcome to make useful contributions if you think there are good reasons for being unblocked please read the guide to appealing blocks then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page unblock reason your reason here drmies talk 13 46 9 april 2023 utc reply notice that you are now subject to an arbitration enforcement topic ban edit latest comment 3 years ago 1 comment 1 person in discussion the following topic ban now applies to you you have been topic banned for two months from all pages and discussions concerning post 1992 american politics and related people you have been sanctioned for article editing and talkpage manner that are disruptive and characterized by a battleground approach for instance attempting to edit war this ridiculous prose into an article or a response such as this to an opponent s argument has nothing to do with collaborating to improve an article or with civil discussion nor does this combative post where you characterize one post on your talkpage as pestering obviously in retaliation for having yourself been asked to stop pestering a user these are only a few examples of a larger corpus this topic ban is imposed in my capacity as an uninvolved administrator under the authority of the arbitration committee s decision at final decision and if applicable the contentious topics procedure this sanction has been recorded in the log of sanctions please read wp tban to understand what a topic ban is if you do not comply with the topic ban you may be blocked for an extended period to enforce the ban if you wish to appeal the ban please read the appeals process you are free to contact me on my talk page if anything of the above is unclear to you bishonen tålk 20 05 9 april 2023 utc reply april 2023 edit latest comment 3 years ago 32 comments 6 people in discussion you have been blocked from editing for a period of 31 hours for making personal attacks towards other editors once the block has expired you are welcome to make useful contributions if you think there are good reasons for being unblocked please read the guide to appealing blocks then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page unblock reason your reason here orange mike talk 03 56 10 april 2023 utc reply this user s unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator who declined the request other administrators may also review this block but should not override the decision without good reason see the blocking policy ockraz block log active blocks global blocks contribs deleted contribs filter log creation log change block settings unblock checkuser log si request reason it s ridiculous to pretend that because someone says a thing one doesn t like to hear that this is an attack ock raz talk 04 02 10 april 2023 utc reply decline reason if you don t care about being unblocked don t make an unblock request you were t blocked for saying something people didn t want to hear you were blocked for harassment of another user if you have grievances about how rules were applied you may take them to wp ani once the block expires i would advise you against doing so based on your recent edit history but it s up to you 331dot talk 07 25 10 april 2023 utc reply if you want to make any further unblock requests please read the guide to appealing blocks first then use the unblock template again if you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked ps to whomever it may concern i don t actually care about getting unblocked i just assumed that putting the comment into an unblock request would make it more likely that someone would actually see that i m calling them out for their absurd application of rules leave up the block unblock me or extend it idgaf ock raz talk 04 24 10 april 2023 utc reply orangemike and 331dot i ll leave it to uninvolved admins but i don t for my part think this on my page was much in the way of attacks or harassment venting on the occasion of a sanction is pretty normal bishonen tålk 10 17 10 april 2023 utc reply i declined it more because they say they don t care but i was looking at their posts to acroterion 331dot talk 10 41 10 april 2023 utc reply weren t blocked for saying something people didn t want to hear you were blocked for harassment of another user the claim was that i was blocked because i attacked an editor what did i do that allegedly constitutes an attack well this link defines the offense but that just makes clear that what was deemed an attack was merely saying things people didn t want to hear if you don t care about being unblocked don t make an unblock request are you saying that to me in your official capacity i don t see how my caring about things or not caring about them could possibly be within your purview ock raz talk 16 45 10 april 2023 utc reply i declined it more because they say they don t care are you actually saying that you don t evaluate claims based on the merits but based upon people s feelings ock raz talk 16 51 10 april 2023 utc reply bishonen well thank you for that at least i think that venting is a very fair description whereas one would need either to misapply a reasonable standard or else employ an unreasonable standard to call it an a attack i m not sure what to make of the fact that the prior instance of what i would also call venting you referred to as retaliation which at least implies an attack from my perspective this whole thing has had one unifying theme it s all been about the questioning of standards initially it was about a standard for when a wikipedia article can portray a claim as a lie the status quo for what editors can do in the article seems egregiously low when compared with the much higher standard for how editors are supposed to refer to each others honesty i find it bizarre and really an inversion of what the priorities should be if you re writing something that aspires to be a reference work everyone will trust the other standards have been about either what sort of characterizations count as attacks or about whether arguing counts as harassment or if you prefer as pestering in principle i think it s fine that i was blocked from acroterion s talk page but that s because user talk pages function like one s home and by continuing to argue i exhausted acroterion s patience so he should have been well within his rights to not continue to have me as a guest i don t think it should have required any sort of adjudication in practice i think it s wrong to justify my not being welcome in his house because i grew tiresome by saying i needed to be punished because i committed a rule violation to then extend the punishment which is actually for an unwritten rule about annoying people to losing editing privileges in the encyclopedia itself really is a dubious use of standards finally for 331dot to just come right out and say that his application of standards will be different based on whether or not i respect those standards and or the way in which they re applied has just made me feel much more confident that they don t deserve respect ock raz talk 18 21 10 april 2023 utc reply wp tldr and you are doubling down on personal attacks doug weller talk 19 14 13 april 2023 utc reply what was the point of your adding that comment ock raz talk 08 19 8 july 2023 utc reply the reason should be obvious too long and another attack on user 331dot i m concerned that you can t recognise that doug weller talk 08 28 8 july 2023 utc reply were you involved somehow or just commenting because you wanted to add your opinion do you have some status that makes your opinion special also i find it curious that people seem to characterize criticism as attacks why should i not point out that 331 seemed to be using irrelevant criteria rather than applying rules in an objective manner ock raz talk 08 43 8 july 2023 utc reply i haven t been following this discussion it s not a matter of your feelings just logic if you don t care about being unblocked you shouldn t request it save your own time you can feel however you wish to feel about it i said it simply as a person official capacity is not relevant 331dot talk 08 56 8 july 2023 utc reply you re not using the word logic correctly in rules based systems where one is evaluating behavior the feelings of a person when they request that evaluation is what is irrelevant not the status of the person tasked with performing the evaluation ock raz talk 09 02 8 july 2023 utc reply i don t think that it is unreasonable for someone to have some skin in the game and actually care about what it is they are asking about i also take not caring to mean that you had no contributions you wanted to make since blocks only prevent editing if you have no contributions to make there is no need to unblock you if you feel i have grossly erred here about this now expired 31 hour block haul me into wp ani 331dot talk 09 27 8 july 2023 utc reply what i feel is that you have a fundamentally flawed view of the proper way to exercise your authority i ve no intention of hauling you anywhere because my takeaway from the entire experience was that wikipedia itself has been corrupted i just logged on for the first time in 3 months and answered a message i found waiting for me from doug weller i m not even sure why you re talking to me given that i didn t message you ock raz talk 10 16 8 july 2023 utc reply doug weller linked to my username which sends a notification 331dot talk 10 18 8 july 2023 utc reply oh okay i noticed that there was a link in the response but i didn t know what it was for ock raz talk 10 34 8 july 2023 utc reply i don t have any authority just some tools again i m not sure what is unreasonable with thinking that you should have some desire to want to be unblocked and contribute if you don t care why should i 331dot talk 10 19 8 july 2023 utc reply i m not sure how having a tool that empowers you to affect what others are able to do is different from having authority but that s not important i think that the quickest way to make my point on the other matter is with an analogy imagine that a man has been arrested and charged with a minor crime for which he will likely be held in jail over the weekend since he can t pay the fine he s taken before a magistrate who will decide whether or not to find him guilty suppose that the accused appears distressed and says he doesn t care about the outcome of the hearing perhaps he s homeless and doesn t mind being in jail for a while would it be appropriate for the magistrate to decide on that basis that he will declare the accused to be guilty as charged there are multiple reasons why i think that would be inappropriate ock raz talk 10 35 8 july 2023 utc reply this was not a judicial proceeding and in most jurisdictions i am aware of if the accused does not offer a defense they are usually convicted not found not guilty this is a project to 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