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riend and i are in perfect agreement that she should help you on some matter i say to you i am sending you my friend to help you have i arrogated an authority over my friend hardly for my purpose does not rule the agreement was i lying certainly not for i am sending my friend this supposed proof is dubious in our own case shall we think it conclusive in god s it is even less likely to be legitimate there for if i and my friend are in perfect agreement it can be nothing in comparison to the agreement of the father and the son and the spirit who are so united that the work of the father is through the son and in the spirit so that one and the same action belongs to three persons whether it pertains to creation or salvation what human unity of purpose could possibly compare but in unity of purpose as such there is no subordination if there were subordination there would not be unity but one purpose subordinating another purpose however congenially and so if the father gives the son and this giving is eternally purposed by the thrice holy trinity there is no subordination in being given for there is no subordination of purposes only a perfect unity of purpose that the word be made flesh and come among us a savior a gift of life thus from the mission of the son nothing follows about subordination and likewise from the making of all things through the son nothing follows about subordination indeed the reverse for that all things are made through the son shows clearly that the son is one with the father with a unity that we can scarcely comprehend but so eagerly do the functional subordinationists grasp after straws that they see elaborate subordinations lurking in every difference of preposition read the whole thing filed under trinity leave a comment dorothy sayers are women human posted on october 15 2009 by adam from scot mcknight s blog god of course may have his own opinion but the church is reluctant to endorse it i think that i have never heard a sermon preached on the story of martha and mary that did not attempt somehow somewhere to explain away its text mary s of course was the better part the lord said so and we must not precisely contradict him but we will be careful not to despise martha no doubt he approved of her too we could not get on without her and indeed having paid lip service to god s opinion we must admit that we greatly prefer her for martha was doing a really feminine job whereas mary was just behaving like any other disciple male or female and that is a hard pill to swallow perhaps it is no wonder that women were the first at the cradle and the last at the cross they had never known a man like this man there never has been another a prophet and teacher who never nagged at them never flattered or coaxed or patronized who never made arch jokes about them never treated them as the women god help us or the ladies god bless them who rebuked without querulousness and praised without condescension who took their arguments seriously who never mapped out their sphere for them never urged them to be feminine or jeered at them for being female who had no axe to grind and no uneasy male dignity to defend who took them as he found them and was completely unself conscious there is no act no sermon no parable in the whole gospel that borrows its pungency from female perversity nobody could possibly guess from the words or deeds of jesus that there was anything funny about woman s nature but we might easily deduce it from his contemporaries and from his prophets before him and from his church to this day women are not human nobody shall persuade that they are human let them say what they like we will not believe it though one rose from the dead p 46 47 from 1981 printing filed under uncategorized leave a comment william lane craig on the generation of the son posted on august 21 2009 by adam at william lane craig s reasonable faith website dr craig answers a complex question about the trinity and prior causation although most of the article is dedicated to explaining the first cause argument for god s existence there are a few interesting quotes about the eternal generation of the son from the father he says theologically it seems to me the doctrine of the generation of the logos from the father cannot despite assurances to the contrary but diminish the status of the son because he becomes an effect contingent upon the father even if this eternal procession takes place necessarily and apart from the father s will the son is less than the father because the father alone exists in himself whereas the son exists through another such derivative being is the same way in which created things exist despite protestations to the contrary nicene orthodoxy does not seem to have completely exorcised the spirit of subordinationism introduced into christology by the greek apologists for these reasons evangelical theologians have tended to treat the doctrine of the eternal generation of the son from the father with benign neglect if we do decide to drop from our doctrine of the trinity the eternal generation and procession of the son and spirit from the father how should we construe the intra trinitarian relations here i find it useful to distinguish between the ontological trinity and the economic trinity the ontological trinity is the trinity as it exists of itself apart from god s relation to the world the economic trinity has reference to the different roles played by the persons of the trinity in relation to the world and especially in the plan of salvation in this economic trinity there is subordination or perhaps better submission of one person to another as the incarnate son does the father s will and the spirit speaks not on his own account but on behalf of the son the economic trinity does not reflect ontological differences between the persons but rather is an expression of god s loving condescension for the sake of our salvation the error of logos christology lay in conflating the economic trinity with the ontological trinity introducing subordination into the nature of the godhead itself so i regard god the father as neither ontologically nor causally prior to god the son and i view augustine and the damascene s views as extra biblical and unfortunate from this it is not clear whether there is an eternal subordination of the son only an eternal generation is denied but many complementarian scholars seem to conflate the two thinking that the son s eternal generation is evidence or perhaps better said the explanation of his eternal subordination still craig does not see the economic trinity as reflecting the ontological trinity which is fundamental to the complementarian scheme filed under trinity 5 comments is complementarianism at the very center of orthodoxy posted on march 12 2009 by adam recently scot mcknight wrote about his concerns over what he calls the neoreformed part 1 part 2 according to him these ardent calvinists are more than happy to call into question the legitimacy and fidelity of any evangelical who doesn t believe in classic reformed doctrines like double predestination whether or not that is the case he also observes something else that is equally alarming and here s another issue the neoreformed are deeply concerned with complementarianism and see it as a test case of fidelity fine argue your points but complementarianism is hardly the center of orthodoxy you wouldn t know that by the way they write or talk some see it as the litmus test of evangelical orthodoxy these days this grieves me don t we have more significant battles to wage denny burk objected to this without commenting on the merits of mcknight s label saying that complementarianism is not understood by the neoreformed to be the center of orthodoxy or at the heart of their doctrinal priorities nevertheless he goes on to say that egalitarianism is a threat to the auhority of the bible to me this smacks of double speak because it seems to be the case that to deny complementarianism is to deny the authority of scripture which of course puts the very center of orthodoxy at stake there is some evidence to back up mcknight s complaint for example the together for the gospel statement reads we affirm that the scripture reveals a pattern of complementary order between men and women and that this order is itself a testimony to the gospel even as it is the gift of our creator and redeemer we also affirm that all christians are called to service within the body of christ and that god has given to both men and women important and strategic roles within the home the church and the society we further affirm that the teaching office of the church is assigned only to those men who are called of god in fulfillment of the biblical teachings and that men are to lead in their homes as husbands and fathers who fear and love god we deny that the distinction of roles between men and women revealed in the bible is evidence of mere cultural conditioning or a manifestation of male oppression or prejudice against women we also deny that this biblical distinction of roles excludes women from meaningful ministry in christ s kingdom we further deny that any church can confuse these issues without damaging its witness to the gospel the message could not be anymore clear if you deny such an order exists between man and woman you undermine the church s witness to the gospel for decades evangelicals of all stripes complementarians and egalitarians have found unity in the gospel message of christ but with this statement there can be no unity in the gospel as egalitarians are subtly denounced as undermining it and there is nothing more at the center of orthodoxy than the gospel itself al mohler reviewed wayne grudem s book evangelical feminism a new path to liberalism and came to this conclusion nothing less than the future of the christian church in north america is at stake in this controversy evangelicals no longer have the luxury of believing that this controversy is nothing more than a dispute among scholars if the future of the church in north america is contingent upon the repudiation of egalitarianism then the advancement of complementarianism is and ought to be the heart the neoreformer s doctrinal priorities if complementarianism s understanding of hierarchy is essential to the christian worldview as mary kassian argued in her book women creation and fall p 45 then how could it not be in dispute that the neoreformed see complementarianism as a litmus test of orthodoxy if they deny that it is they should qualify or even recant some of the things said above filed under complementarianism 1 comment a correction to the logic of equality posted on march 10 2009 by adam my inexperience with working with publishers shows when i opened the fall issue of priscilla papers i was happy to see my piece the logic of equality published i was not happy to see that i had submitted an incorrected draft to the editor i had a number of different versions i was working with and it seems i missed the opportunity in the final review to catch the error the sixth reason i give for rejecting the complementarian idea of the trinity reads like this in the journal sixth subordination that extends into eternity cannot be merely functional but must also be ontological god s authority is a quality that inheres with the attribute of his lordship authority applied to god means he has the right to govern all things as well as the ability to control all things if we choose to use the term authority as a quality of god s lordship we must apply it to both father and son for both share in the divine attribute of lordship with this principle in mind it follows that if the son is eternally subordinate to the father then the father has a divine attribute that the son does not have and since eternity is an intrinsic quality of god s existence it logically follows that what the son is eternally he is in being if the son is eternally subordinate in function then he is eternally subordinate in being it should read like this sixth subordination that extends into eternity cannot be merely functional if it is based on something that is ontological god s authority is a quality that inheres with the attribute of his lordship authority applied to god means he has the right to govern all things as well as the ability to control all things if we choose to use the term authority as a quality of god s lordship we must apply it to both father and son for both share in the divine attribute of lordship yet this principle conflicts with eternal subordination s insistence that the son s sonship subordinates him to a status lower than the father if this is the case it stands to reason that the father has a divine attribute that the son does not have namely that of authority and since authority is an intrinsic quality of god s existence it logically follows that what the son lacks in deity subordinates him not only in function but also in being if the son is eternally subordinate in function by virtue of what he is then he is eternally subordinate in being the difference is significant because it does not follow that if the son is eternally subordinate to the father then the father has a divine attribute that the son does not have eternal subordination can be conceived as something like a contract from all eternity the persons of the trinitarian community mutually agreed to arrange themselves hierarchically perhaps for the purposes of redemption in this scheme it remains conceivable that a possible world may have been ordained where the father subordinated to the son however if such a world is not possible then it does follow for eternal subordination is then determined by the son s sonship the problem here is that it makes an essence out of the son s personhood sonship that is altogether different from the father s essence either way the point about god s attribute of authority is at the center of the sixth reason and that is what is lacking in complementarian views of the trinity if we take the contractual view the son empties himself of the attribute in a way that mimics the kenosis view of the incarnation i m not sure any complementarian theologian would embrace that in seeking to avoid this we could take the submission is fitting to sonship view but as i have tried to show this falls into ontological subordination lesson learned reread your submissions to publishers again and again even if you have read the darn thing a hundred times i await the fair criticism of my unfortunate non sequitur filed under being and role 1 comment resistance from every nation posted on february 2 2009 by adam the opening sentences of paul kjoss helseth s article elect from every nation are very odd to read one will stop to re read the first few words thinking they have missed something when he says principled opposition to the pursuit of racial reconciliation in the church how could someone be opposed to racial reconciliation it ...