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ection with interest for many or most of the participants but still persist and by persisting prevent new and potentially interest based conversations from arising i can be a phenomenologist and a marxist can t i share this print opens in new window print email a link to a friend opens in new window email share on x opens in new window x share on facebook opens in new window facebook like loading by phil also posted in culture geekage web 2 0 comments 0 home again 30 january 2006 11 25 so i m a researcher at least until the money runs out next year hopefully i ll have something similar lined up by then before i was a researcher i was a freelance journalist for about six years while i did my doctorate before that i was a full time journalist for three years and before that i worked in it which is a whole other dark and backward abysm of time i was a unix sysadmin and before that i was an oracle dba and before that database design data analysis codasyl 1 database admin a ghastly period running a pc support team and before that systems analysis and if you go back far enough you get to programming and frankly i still don t trust any it person who didn t start in programming i m getting better at one time i didn t trust anyone who didn t start in programming now there s an odd kind of intellectual revelation which you sometimes get when you re a little way into a new field it s not so much a eureka moment as a homecoming moment you get it but it feels as if you re getting it because you knew it already you feel that you understand what you ve learnt so fully that you don t need to think about it and that everything that s left to learn is going to follow on just as easily which usually turns out to be the case the way it feels is that the structures you re exploring are how your mind worked all along or perhaps how your mind would have been working all along if you d had these tools to play with or it s unix i know this i had that feeling a few times in my geek days once back at the start when i was loading basic programs off a cassette onto an acorn atom why else would i have carried on once when i was introduced to codasyl databases and once of course when i met unix or rather when i understood piping and redirection but the strongest homecoming moment was when after being trained in data analysis i saw a corporate information architecture chart developed by my employer s then parent company with a bit of help from ibm data analysis hadn t come naturally but once i d got it it was there and now that i had got it just look what you could do with it it was a sheet of a3 covered with lines and boxes expressing propositions such as a commercial transaction takes place between two parties one of which is an organisational unit while the other may be an individual or an organisational unit propositions like that but mostly rather more complex i thought it was wonderful fast forward again database design dba sysadmin journalism freelancing phd research research which for the last month or so has involved using owl the ontology language formerly known as daml oil and the protege logical modelling tool which has enabled me to produce stuff like this it s not finished boy is it not finished but it is rather lovely perhaps i just like lines and boxes 1 if you don t know what this means don t worry about it and if you do hi share this print opens in new window print email a link to a friend opens in new window email share on x opens in new window x share on facebook opens in new window facebook like loading by phil also posted in academe geekage taxonomy comments 2 this is the new stuff 3 november 2005 10 05 thomas criticises wikipedia s entry on folksonomy a term which was coined just over a year ago by er thomas as of today s date the many hands of wikipedia say folksonomy is a neologism for a practice of collaborative categorization using freely chosen keywords more colloquially this refers to a group of people cooperating spontaneously to organize information into categories typically using categories or tags on pages or semantic links with types that evolve without much central control in contrast to formal classification methods this phenomenon typically only arises in non hierarchical communities such as public websites as opposed to multi level teams and hierarchical organization an example is the way in which wikis organize information into lists which tend to evolve in their inclusion and exclusion criteria informally over time thomas today having seen an new academic endeavor related to folksonomy quoting the wikipedia entry on folksonomy i realize the definition of folksonomy has become completely unglued from anything i recognize yes i did create the word to define something that was undefined prior it is not collaborative it is not putting things into categories it is not related to taxonomy more like the antithesis of a taxonomy etc the wikipedia definition seems to have morphed into something that the people with web 2 0 tagging tools can claim as something that can describe their tool i m resisting the temptation to send thomas the all purpose wikipedia snark letter yeah well if you don t like the wisdom of the crowds mr so called authority in fact i m resisting the temptation to say anything about wikipedia that s another discussion but i do want to say something about the original conception of folksonomy and about how it s drifted firstly another quote from thomas s post from today folksonomy is the result of personal free tagging of information and objects anything with a url for one s own retrival the tagging is done in a social environment shared and open to others the act of tagging is done by the person consuming the information there is tremendous value that can be derived from this personal tagging when viewing it as a collective when you have the three needed data points in a folksonomy tool 1 the person tagging 2 the object being tagged as its own entity and 3 the tag being used on that object by keeping the three data elements you can use two of the elements to find a third element which has value if you know the object in del icio us it is the web page being tagged and the tag you can find other individuals who use the same tag on that object which may lead if a little more investigation to somebody who has the same interest and vocabulary as you do that person can become a filter for items on which they use that tag you then know an individual and a tag combination to follow this is admirably clear and specific it also fits rather well with the arguments i was making in two posts earlier this year perhaps the natural state of knowledge is to be cloudy because it s produced within continuing interactions within groups knowledge is an emergent property of conversation you could say this suggests that every community has its own knowledge cloud that the production and maintenance of a knowledge cloud is one way that a community defines itself if cloudiness is a universal condition del icio us and flickr and tag clouds and so forth don t enable us to do anything new what they are giving us is a live demonstration of how the social mind works which could be interesting to put it mildly thomas s original conception of folksonomy is quite close to my conception of a knowledge cloud they re both about the emergence of knowledge within a social interaction a conversation the current wikipedia version of folksonomy is both fuzzier and more closely tied to existing technology what s happened seems to be a kind of vicious circle of hype and expectations management it s not a new phenomenon anyone who s been watching it for any length of time has seen it happen at least once not to worry anyone but it happened quite a lot around 1999 as i remember there s vision someone sees genuinely exciting new possibilities in some new technology and writes a paper on oh i don t know noetic telepresence or virtual speleology or network prosody then there s development someone builds something that does well a bit of it quite significant steps towards supporting network prosody more coming in the next release phase three is hype hype hype hype mm hmm i just can t get enough hype can you the penultimate phase is dissemination in which everyone s trying to support network prosody or at least some of it that stuff that those other people did with their tool there we go fully network prosody enabled must get someone to do a writeup finally we re into hype ii also known as marketing network prosody is defined less by the original vision than by the tools which have been built to support it the twist is that it s still being hyped in exactly the same way tools which don t actually do that much are being marketed as if they realised the original vision it s a bit of a pain this stage fortunately it doesn t last forever stage 6 is the hangover what s to be done as i said back here personally i don t use the term folksonomy i prefer peter merholz s term ethnoclassification two of my objections to folksonomy were that it appears to denote an end result as well as a process and that it s become a term of anti librarian advocacy as well as description thomas s criticisms of wikipedia seem to point in a similar direction where i do differ from thomas is in the emphasis to be placed on online technologies ethnoclassification is at least as i see it something that happens everywhere all the time it s an aspect of living in a human community not an aspect of using the web if i m right about where we are in the great cycle of hype this may soon be another point in its favour share this print opens in new window print email a link to a friend opens in new window email share on x opens in new window x share on facebook opens in new window facebook like loading by phil also posted in academe cheery thoughts computing ethnoclassification comments 0 older posts about me more work less pay more work less pay 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