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identity quadrivium home about quadrivium quadrivium identity archived posts from this category may 6 2008 welcome to the village number 6 aka the big brother pizza shop posted by persifler under america culture identity materialism modernism money news people pop culture thought life tags 1984 brave new world databases dream police orwellian shadow government the prisoner the village leave a comment this is almost humerous but it rings true what with all the databases out there that have your information the grocery store has those little vip store cards that if you use will allow you to save a percentage on you bill at the cost of your purchase being added to their database about your buying habits not to mention credit card purchases credit reports bank statements hmo records dentist records hospital records military records police records and the lists go on infinitely everyday a new list a new way to catalogue you and your habits as you read this say hello to the guys and gals in foggy bottom vodpod videos no longer available from www youtube com posted with vodpod it is ironic that the very ones who pried open the lid of our judicial system are the very ones who are now trying to nail it back on the natural response to anarchy is totalitarian rule so it is easy to see how we have gotten to this point from say the sixties and seventies now it s hard to see how we can claim to be a democratic republic given we can only choose from only two parties which are running politicians whose image is more important than their character and substance there are no more statesmen who hold the best interest of the nation above their own political ambitions so in order for the politicos to retain their power they have to have a victimized society which they can care for and pander to this is the enevitable result reporting live frome the village i m number 6 we re run by the pentagon we re run by madison avenue we re run by television and as long as we accept those things and don t revolt we ll have to go along with the stream to the eventual avalanche as long as we go out and buy stuff we re at their mercy we re at the mercy of the advertiser and of course there are certain things that we need but a lot of the stuff that is bought is not needed w e all live in a little village your village may be different from other people s villages but we are all prisoners cult tv uk an interview with patrick mcgoohan conducted by warner troyer march 1977 from the prisoner where am i in the village what do you want information whose side are you on that would be telling we want information information information you won t get it by hook or by crook we will who are you the new number two who is number one you are number six i am not a number i am a free man http en wikipedia org wiki the_prisoner february 21 2008 identity the statue the vase and the hunk of metal posted by josh under academics identity leibniz leibniz s law mereological nihilism metaphysics philosophy problems of philosophy realism universals 5 comments defining the nature of identity can be a perplexing task for every definition or principle of identity that is put forward a host of problematic thought experiments will inevitably arise to challenge it in this post we will be applying leibniz s law to the problem of the statue the vase and the hunk of metal one of the most well known principles of identity that has ever been offered was given to us by the seventeenth century philosopher gottfried wilhelm leibniz his principle which has come to be known as leibniz s law asserts that necessarily for any x and y if for any property p x has p iff y has p this principle actually contains two separate principles which can be listed as follows 1 the indiscernibility of identicals necessarily for any x and y if x is identical with y then for any property p x has p iff y has p 2 the identity of indiscernibles necessarily for any x and y if for any property p x has p iff y has p then x and y are identical the second of these two principles is considered by some philosophers to be controversial this paper however will only be considering the first principle the indiscernibility of identicals is generally not thought to be a controversial principle and it can be an immensely helpful tool in solving puzzles about identity as we shall see below imagine the following scenario that involves a hunk of metal 1 the hunk of metal was a statue on monday 2 the hunk of metal was a vase on tuesday 3 on wednesday the hunk of metal was neither a statue nor a vase it appears therefore that 1 the hunk of metal a statue on monday 2 the hunk of metal a vase on tuesday 3 the hunk of metal neither a statue nor a vase on wednesday this line of reasoning becomes very problematic however when we introduce the principle of the transitivity of identity this principle states that if a b and b c then a c or to apply it to the previous scenario 1 if the hunk of metal the statue 2 and the hunk of metal the vase this leads to the absurd conclusion that 3 the statue the vase some would argue that the conclusion can be avoided by restating leibniz s law so that it is time contextual thus necessarily for any x and y and any time t if x is identical to y then at any given time t x and y must have the same properties yet this does not avert the conclusion at all indeed it leads to the same inconsistency using the above restatement of leibniz s law we come to the following conclusion if the hunk of metal is identical to the statue on monday then on tuesday the hunk of metal must still be identical to the statue this is obviously not the case however since the hunk of metal is identical to the vase on tuesday and is identical with neither the statue nor the vase on wednesday another proposed solution to this problem is to assert that the only thing that actually exists over the three days is the hunk of metal itself thus we would say that on monday the hunk of metal is statue shaped while on tuesday the hunk of metal is vase shaped this theory a form of mereological nihilism would deny the existence of things like statues and vases and would propose that the only things that truly exist are basic substances like hunks of metal or rather the mereological atoms that compose the hunks of metal that are arranged in various ways while this is a possible solution to the problem it is hard to reconcile this theory with our basic intuitions that clearly acknowledge the existence of things like statues and vases there is yet a third solution to this problem however that is much more in agreement with our intuition this solution asserts that the hunk of metal is not identical to either the statue or the vase according to the principle of the indiscernibility of identicals two entities are identical iff they share the same properties therefore to demonstrate that the hunk of metal is not identical to either the statue or the vase we must point out some property that they do not share in common yet this may be more difficult than it sounds since the hunk of metal and the objects that it constitutes occupy the same place and have the same mass and extension it appears that the hunk of metal is indeed identical with the statue and the vase in other words if on monday the statue has the property of being two feet tall then so does the hunk of metal and if on tuesday the vase has the property of being cylindrical then the hunk of metal possesses the same property however when we begin to look at things from a temporal perspective the indiscernability of these objects begins to break down take for example the hunk of metal and the statue which it constitutes if these two substances are not identical then on monday they each occupy the same place at the same time yet at the end of the day when the metal is melted down the statue is destroyed while the hunk of metal continues to exist thus we discover that the hunk of metal possesses the property of existing past monday while the statue lacks this property now we can inverse the principle of the indiscernibility of identicals to read as such necessarily for any x and y and for any property p if x possesses p and y does not posses p then x and y are not identical therefore according to the principle listed above the hunk of metal and the statue cannot be identical due to the fact that the hunk of metal possesses a temporal property which the statue lacks we are left then with two possible solutions to the problem of the hunk of metal the statue and the vase we can either espouse a form of mereological nihilism or by introducing leibniz s law and properly defining the properties of each object we can assert that the hunk of metal the statue and the vase are all separate entities considering the highly unintuitive conclusions of the first solution the latter solution seems to be the most favorable to answer this problem search for welcome a handful of like minded fellows and one gal reflect on things 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