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of the hook did not make it easier to apply finding 3 hackle was identical to wire rib above if you crowded the head with earlier elements of the fly the rotational application of the hackle was not easier as the lumps and bumps of prior steps made the stem slip to one side or the other finding 4 we don t consider the spin of the shank when we mount hooks as rotation is still a new member to our toolset in my testing i had to reposition every hook to ensure it rotated smoothly eventually i gave up and adjusted the vise barrel only allowing a wobbly rotation to be acceptable this saved time versus removing and repositioning the hook to get the precision rotation different bends and sizes require the hook to be mounted differently on the excalibur as the slots in the jaws change the grip on the hook small hooks are mounted on the tip of the jaw large using slots and the in between sizes added somewhere between the tips of the jaws and the meaty slotted area this change of location alters the spin on the hook and will require a vise barrel adjustment to spin smoothly wobbly was more efficient than repositioning the hook so i would consider this a bit of a hindrance or time sink finding 5 depositing the bobbin onto a vise extension or arm usually required me to remove the thread when rotation was complete the small angle formed between the shank of the hook and the resting place for the bobbin was not large enough to allow the hook eye to not snag the thread when the vise was rotated dyna king provides and arm attached to the vise that allows the bobbin to be rested away from the working area unfortunately the eye of the hook often catches the thread as it is rotating requiring you to remove those turns once the rotational portion is complete this added time to each rotational step making it a hindrance versus a nicety in summary i did not feel that the rotational capabilities of the dyna king excalibur or any fully rotational vise outweigh the costs associated with its purchase rotation in of itself was often a hindrance instead of a benefit and for the average trout fly tier it is really questionable whether a full rotational vise provides any advantage whatsoever this entry was posted in fly tying fly tying materials and tagged dyna king excalibur fly tying fly tying vise reviews fully rotating vises on april 11 2026 by kbarton10 dyna king excalibur vise review no i don t need another fly tying vise especially one that possesses a nose bleed price i had been an extra good fellow this year and therefore opted to treat myself to the last vise i ll ever buy a thousand dollars is my limit for any fly fishing item and the speed with which prices are climbing suggests i ll soon be unable to buy them entirely as i avoid paying nose bleed prices for anything that isn t rare or antique once the price point on any any fly fishing item approaches a thousand dollars technical detail and feedback is necessary to determine function value and its ranks among peers and the fly fishing industry does a miserable job of giving us good information other than it s awesome fly shops and the mainstream media are incapable of giving us real reviews of products for fear of offending manufacturers simply because they didn t use enough superlatives ending their supply of gifted freebies to review and leaving us independent louts to do all the heavy lifting what i cannot do is tell you whether this is the best fly tying vise ever that type of rigor requires owning all of the vises of similar repute and quality and then doing an exhaustive analysis of the features and foibles of each what i can do is run 10 or 12 dozen trout flies through the excalibur which will be enough for me to find many of its attributes and flaws and formulate some solid information and impressions of its performance to help you decide whether the high price of the vise is warranted for you i will follow up with another review in six months once i ve had the opportunity to add bass and striper flies big flies and larger sizes to the mix what possessed me to purchase this vise i have two other high quality vises and and wanted one of the newer offset style vises offset being my term for a vise whose jaws are removed from the stem or upright and are several inches from the centerline of the vise offset vises use less force to tighten the vise jaw and have a smaller handle commensurate with this reduction in effort the mechanics of the jaw closure and adjustment are the same as traditional vises offset vises simply do it with less effort i hoped that this design might offer some new advantages than the centuries old standard we ve used for so long why buy a rotary vise if you re not going to use it after watching dozens of tiers and professionals at shows and exhibitions i have yet to see a rotary vise used as such i ve seen the jaws rotated slightly to access the side of the fly or to inspect the ribbing but full rotation and applying dubbing wire and other body materials using the rotational capability is something most tiers appear to find marginal i have watched a professional glo bug tyer use the rotational feature exclusively to tie glo bugs and the rotation feature was extremely useful for his flies but small trout flies and their ilk leave little opportunity for rotary applications my assumption is that i m no different than these other fellows and the full rotation of the vise will merely be a gadget rather than a must have like a small child at christmas upon receipt assume you re not the only fellow that s handled the vise every fellow that works at the fly shop you bought it from has jiggled its handle fiddled with the knobs and tested it a few times before you even showed up there s the possiblity of damage in shipping someone dropped it at the shop or someone crossthreaded a fitting or simply because they were unfamiliar with the vise s function lubrication the first thing i did was remove all adjustment screws from the vise chassis and apply a dollop of lithium grease to each threaded screw post this ensures lubrication of threaded elements and ensures each type of adjustment operates smoothly and with little effort dyna king uses some hideously thick silver goop for lubrication think jb weld and i ll assume it s their means of ensuring the lubrication will survive a decade of use i removed several globs of their lubricant off of the forcing cone and jaws and replaced it with a lighter grade of lubricant i typically will regrease all components on a yearly basis especially those in continuous use like the forcing cone test the fit once lubricated tighten down all adjustment screws and test the vise for looseness in fittings or wobble in any of the machined parts if you find any persistent wobble or looseness it s possible the fit or milling is incorrect or the vise may have been damaged via someone dropping it while fiddling at a shop for a rotating vise check for rotation when the vise should be locked in stationary mode for a rotating vise check for tension while rotating to ensure all feels smooth dyna king has a teflon tipped screw that applies the desired tension to the rotating element to ensure it rotates with the resistance you prefer versus simply being sloppy loose test the vise jaw height adjustment to ensure the barrel of the jaws slides smoothly up and down this is the screw under the jaws controlling the jaw and hook placement when the user rotates the assembly allowing the hook to be in the same plane as the rotating body test the forcing cone and its collar to ensure smoothness of operation it should turn smoothly to adjust the width of the jaws my dyna king professional developed a wobble early due to a soft steel cog on the top of the stem that spread slightly with use the dyna king folks were unable to repair it so i added a matchbook cover spacer to the cog valley to take up the play and reduce the wobble of the vise head knowing the vise arrived in perfect condition allowed me to understand that i had likely dropped the vise while transporting it to a fly tying class or show rather than a manufacturers defect purchase all the accessories i purchased a set of midge jaws for the excalibur a second forcing cone and extra tension screws for the rotation adjustment teflon tipped and the rotation lock screw rotation on rotation off more on this later this vise is likely to last several decades or more and the vendor may no longer be around or making parts for older models if you drop nine hundred dollars for a vise you need to buy all of the accessories that you will need lose or break now buy them now while they are plentiful screws were 15 each forcing cone was 35 and the midge jaws were 124 note the midge jaws for the dyna king professional are not identical to the midge jaws for the excalibur they are of different lengths if you buy the midge jaws ensure you are getting the correct versions for this vise as the person filling your order at the shop may not realize this is the case place the order via phone if buying from a third party fly shop to avoid disappointment forcing cones are the element most likely to break over time each time the vise handle is depressed the jaws are pushed through the cone to force them closed should metal fatigue eventually surface these cones will be the item that cracks under pressure so having an extra is a really worthwhile investment environmental issues long tube bobbin allows only about 3 5 inches of clearance under bobbin offset vises like the excalibur have a different footprint on your tying desk firstly the vise assembly now sits five to six inches away due to the distance the jaws protrude from the vise stem and the pedestal base is now square instead of rectangular due to the shape the tying activity is removed from the center stem area and the vise base needs to be bigger to ensure pressures exerted on the jaw from any direction doesn t tip the vise over rotation use may mean you re pulling up down or from either side and winding materials under tension puts increased force to work in potentially any direction in a normal configuration the jaw of the excalibur is six inches from the pedestal stem the pedestal base of the excalibur is square six inches wide and six inches long considerably larger than a traditional pedestal vise base which has always been rectangular excalibur pedestal compared to dyna king pro pedestal vise as the excalibur is actually the shortest vise i own using a long tube bobbin coupled with the shortness of the vise means you only have 3 5 inches of clearance under the bobbin when it s at rest see illustration above this is plenty to tie flies but if you do a lot of tying with dubbed loops which are often longer than three inches it means your dubbed loop and tool may need to rest on the table edge versus hanging vertically from the jaws six inches from vise stem to jaw tip excalibur takes up more room in a default configuration the vise jaws are 7 5 above the table surface compare this with the vise you re currently using to see how that will change your visual plane the jaw adjustment knob used to center the hook shank with the rotation allows you to increase the jaw height about half an inch and i have incorporated that extra height in my vise s configuration many tools have long handles like the dubbed loop spinners the cal bird tools and a few others and that extra half inch may allow a favorite tool to hang vertically from the hook shank versus hanging off the edge of the desk it appears possible to loosen the allen screw on the jaw arm to tilt the jaws slightly higher still or loosen the jaw arm to tilt the entire jaw assembly upwards but it doesn t appear to offer a great deal of additional height note that the height of the vise is not that much of an issue nor do i feel cramped it is merely an environmental issue any tyer should be aware of as part of a pending purchase do you have the extra room on your desk for the pedestal do you have the extra room for the six inch jaw offset moving the vise to the left or right six inches and does your tying include lots of long tools and materials hanging off the hook i find that due to the height of the vise my perception of the fly includes the ability to see both top and sides without rotation the lower hook gives me a little higher sight plane which translates into seeing a bit more of the top and sides remove all unused or uneccessary gadgets i won t be using the rotation feature very much so i removed the long bobbin arm off of the vise stem this big clunky arm is for resting your bobbin on when performing full rotation and it s not likely to see much action the size of the arm makes it necessary to move out of the way when tying and it s 10 inch length is exactly the thing that will knock over head cement bottles when swung out of the way when attached to the vise stem it protrudes about 9 from the stem requiring you to have at least a foot of unused space around the stem to swing it out of the way i jettisoned this with great glee i removed the arm clamp off the vise stem as well this is the collar that clamps the arm to the stem the arm and collar i returned to the box should i need them later i moved the material clip back to the rotating body to get it out of the way of fingers knuckles and other tools offset vices have more things in the way when operating behind the jaw so clearing additional space will let a fellow with large hands not bump the material clip repeatedly traditional vises feature the jaw and hook the highest point with the remainder of the vise and handle below the fly offset vises have the arm holding the jaw at the same height with a valley behind the jaw which rises to connect to the arm holding the jaws that means big hammy handed tiers may have find things in their way and the material clip is one of them big flies have a lot more big or long materials and for the moment most of my tying will be smaller the purpose of a fly tying vise is to hold a hook once i had the vise lubricated and explored all the working knobs and dials removed all the unecessary parts i was ready to actually test the function of the vise a fly tying vise has but one core purpose holding a hook immobile while you whack at it with bobbin and mats the trick on any of the dyna king vises is understanding how to manipulate the forcing cone for the hook you re about to mount the cone is tightened for smaller sizes and loosened for bigger hooks for trout sizes it appears about a quarter turn adjustment on the forcing cone is warranted for the size 14 to 12 transition or from size 12 to 10 and on the smaller sizes often a forcing cone setting will work for two hook sizes 16 s and 18 s were similar and i expect this might hold for even smaller hooks as the wire doesn t deviate as much as the hook size gets smaller once we hit size 10 and larger we had the same issue with the excalibur as we ve had on 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