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for a steal otherwise i ll let it go for the rear wheel again lenticular discs are fastest but the flat discs zipp are very close for me i think it ll be virtually indistinguishable the biggest issue with zipp rear discs is that the track axle is pretty much nonexistent unavailable it s like the unicorn of wheel parts list price is almost 300 so it blows the budget out of the water this meant i was searching primarily for semi affordable rear disc wheels like corima and fast forward if i could pick up a zipp track disc i d do that as long as it was substantially cheaper than a lenticular wanted lenticular rear disc if a cheap zipp rear disc shows up so be it less expensive lenticular disc front wheel since it won t be used much if at all in 2020 budget 1000 lenticular rear 650 flat rear 900 lenticular front i d want a second rear wheel probably a bargain flat disc wheel as a spare three and five spoke wheels with front discs being virtually unusable except indoors i need to have a low spoke count front wheel the fastest front wheel on the road has been the hed3 previously known as the specialized trispoke fortunately for me this wheelset was my secret weapon back before aero wheels were a thing and i have both a tubular front trispoke and a clincher front trispoke i have a trispoke rear freehub and a 105 freehub fixed gear adapter but i learned that the trispoke uses a dura ace freehub so the adapter doesn t work i m waiting to use that fixed gear adapter though as it s a unicorn item i looked into 5 spoke front wheels but found that although they were stiffer they weren t necessarily faster if it was all about speed the trispoke should work the only drawback with the trispoke is that it s flexible how that affects me on the track i m not sure but for now the most cost effective approach will be to use the trispokes i have now wanted nothing but if trispoke is too flexible maybe a 5 spoke front wheel budget nothing spoked front wheels the final wheel for my track racing quiver would be a spoked front wheel like the wheels i use for the road i have a couple of them so i figured if the trispoke wasn t rideable i could use my stinger7 front wheel at the worst i might invest in a stinger9 a 90mm front wheel i don t know if it would get me that much extra speed it probably wouldn t so the 7 should be a good fallback wheel it s be fine in a mass start track race since that s what i use in mass start crits plus i can use a 7 in a crit i d really want a 7 with the trispoke or a front disc my preference on the track front wheels can be secured using a bolt nut combination that looks like a quick release skewer without the lever i have one set already may need to buy another couple fronts this means i can buy a quick release hub front wheel without worrying about track legality wanted a second stinger 7 or a stinger 9 budget 500 trainer wheel believe it or not i don t have a clincher track rear wheel meaning one with the fixed gear and the narrow spacing of a track bike i have two rear track wheels right now one so bad its hub consists of steel sheets pressed together i won t use that one the other is nice a 32h suntour superbe pro hub wheel it s laced with a narrow tubular rim right now i d like to get a 24h clincher rim a cool looking one with stickers on the side no braking surface and lace it onto the hub it d be 16 spokes on the drive side cross 2 and 8 spokes radially laced on the non drive side i ve done this before when building 24h rear wheels for the road and it works great i just have to work out the spoke lengths for such a build this wheel would be my warm up wheel trainer wheel and ultra emergency spare rear wheel although i m not sure why i d need a spoked clincher front wheel i have a eurus front wheel with a new rim sitting in my inventory for literally 10 12 years i ll lace over the new rim it should work as a wheel for rollers maybe for warm ups or out on the road experiments wanted 24h disc brake clincher rim budget 100 conclusion i have some wheel shopping to do posted by aki at 9 29 pm no comments email this blogthis share to x share to facebook share to pinterest labels aero equipment stinger 7 track wheels sunday february 16 2020 plan 2020 dolan df4 frame the first step in the whole process was to get a frame track frames are different from road frames and i d want the frame to be uci compliant as well something my beloved tsunamis are not here s the big thing with track frames the bars are really narrow wait bars you were talking about frames why the bar comment it all comes down to that nowadays a regular track bar is 33 35 cm wide in contrast on the road it s normal to see 40 42 cm although that s coming down a bit i m running 41 cm bars on my tsunamis and they look narrow under me the ultra narrow track bars cause a problem though the reach to the bar is shorter due to the reduced width if you re reaching 3 cm to each side that s 3 cm of length if your bars are 3 cm narrower on each side you have 3 cm more arm left over you need a longer frame therein lies the problem for me i m already pushing it with my odd proportions short legs long torso my frame is basically a 50 cm high frame a size which normally comes with a 52 53 cm long top tube however my frame has a 56 5 cm top tube and additionally has a steeper seat tube angle that pushes the top tube forward effectively making it about a 57 57 5 cm top tube and my head tube at 12 cm total height requires a 3 cm drop stem i can t commission another tsunami because they re not uci compliant so i googled all the track frames i could find i looked at their frame geometry charts i needed to find a uci compliant 50 cm seat tube frame with a 74 5 75 deg seat tube angle a 57 cm top tube and a 12 cm head tube it had to be aero it had to be a real track frame not a fixie bike and i needed to get it done for less than 2000 shipped dolan df4 the only frame i could find was the dolan df4 a world class frame no less raced professionally aero design 50 cm seat tube 57 cm top tube 74 5 deg seat tube angle 12 cm head tube it was exactly what i needed and with a pre season discount it fell way below my 2000 budget shipped dolan df4 size 57 it s their second largest size frame first the frame is uci certified that means i can do official events like worlds at the very least i know that the frame is okay for nationals which is my focus the second most important feature of the frame is the geometry it almost mirrors the tsunamis very long top tube 0 5 cm longer steep seat tube 1 deg shallower and short head tube same height as tsunami although i ll have to move my saddle up within the seat post clamp i m at the uci limit on the tsunami for a sprint bike zero setback to nose of saddle so i should be fine on the dolan the third most important feature because without it i d have eliminated it from consideration is that it is aero no vintage round tube stuff this frame is meant to go fast after that it s all gravy aero tubing aero seat post the aero isn t obvious until you turn the frame the frame gets real thin real quick cut out for rear tire but tire will not be as close as on the tsunami in my research i ve found evidence that a cut out will save a fraction of time and help a less than optimal rear wheel in less scientific findings i think it looks cool either way this frame has a rear wheel cut out rear dropouts i need to order spares carbon fiber isn t very strong it s just a plastic reinforced by carbon fibers so contact points under pressure tend to be constructed of metal inserts the rear dropouts on a track frame see a lot of abuse so those are metal i forgot to order spares i ll want to get some dropout screws while i m at it potential weak points i saw two potential weak points in the frame when researching online the first was that the rear dropouts are pretty short this helps handle a problem the longer dropouts had where the weight of the rider bend the top part of the dropout up this caused the opening to widen making it difficult to secure the wheel if you look at the geometry picture in the dolan site you can see the older df3 with the super long dropouts the problem with a short dropout is that you can t move the wheel very much to take up chain slack this means getting multiple chains for various gear combinations since i prefer a very very short chain stay i d probably want to keep the rear wheel as forward as possible anyway so this weakness becomes a non issue for me the second weak point is the seat post clamp it s a wedge clamp with a very small bolt with a very high torque rating there are reports that it s virtually impossible to tighten enough to deal with jolts like when you hit a seam on the track the workaround is pretty easy you put a piece of pipe in the seat tube cut to the right length the seat post will just sit on it i have ideas for that pipe as well so that critical cutting shouldn t be an issue so that s the frame next up the wheels posted by aki at 8 24 am no comments email this blogthis share to x share to facebook share to pinterest labels aero dolan df4 plan 2020 track wheels saturday february 01 2020 plan 2020 new project for 2020 plan 2020 the track i was about to post some random stuff on a bike forum when i realized that this is the kind of stuff i d post on my blog so i m putting it here instead my big thing for this year 2020 is to give track racing a shot again i gave it a shot in 2009 pretty seriously making the hike up to the new hampshire track as much as possible to get some racing in my legs in the scheme of things though i gave it a pretty low key approach i used a bike that i got back in the 80s a bike so bad the rep was selling the frame and fork with nice 40 headset for 100 i got a rear wheel from one of the guys i think it was free and then well i forgot about it i used it twice in the early 90s at t town but that was it in 2009 i was so low key about track that i stopped at the bike shop on the way to the first race to get a crankset for it the arms worked loose incompatible bottom bracket axle and crank arms but the set up worked for a couple trips eventually i got some better cranks figured out a better handlebar and used my old trispoke front wheel then life intruded i haven t been on a track since august 2009 the riggio version 1 0 i think with left over cranks this time this time i m going to be a bit more serious it all started sometime in the middle of 2019 when i started looking into the 500m times for the m50 54 age group see in 2009 when i went to the track i felt pretty unconfident in myself as far as bike racing went i was struggling on the road and when i went to the track i felt like i d just stepped into a world full of riders like me but better good jumps good sprints but better too good for me at least that was my attitude definitely a down type attitude but learning quickly he s not the only one i remember distinctly watching one race at the track i was in a wow everyone is so fast here kind of mood watching a blazing fast a race the racers slicing and dicing huge attacks huge counters just so impressive i d just commented to myself out loud that the rider that didn t even win the a race had such powerful legs i must have said it in a half intimidated half in awe way the rider next to me hear what i said an a rider himself he leaned over to me he s not the only one with big legs you know he commented pointedly looking down at my legs huh i filed that comment away before the season was up i d won at least one keirin race i d won a scratch race i d really done terrible at a pursuit i tried a madison i even got my front wheel to touch the roller on the back of the motorcycle i started feeling like maybe i could do this then the season ended and as i said before life intruded track racing for me came to a full stop fast forward 10 years to mid 2019 zwift and the long sprint by 2019 it s been 4 years since i ve been on zwift and i ve pretty much done all my hard training on zwift except for actual races zwift has pushed me to go really really hard on the trainer sprinting for 20 30 seconds uncomfortably long sprints for me i prefer a 10 15 second sprint so to jump 4 seconds before a 22 second sprint i mentally cursed zwift co founder eric min the guy i could never beat at suny tuesday night sprints a few times after one of my first attempts doing a long sprint in the zwift world watopia green for those that zwift this was in 2015 i d stopped training in mid june so by july i was suffering on the bike slowly though i started figuring out the longer sprints i learned to sprint a bit longer i managed to hold out just another few seconds i got comfortable expecting a 25 second effort as unpleasant as it might have been just a year before i started to expect more from myself in those long sprints in early 2015 i won a race by following a move 30 seconds from the finish although i suffered like mad although i didn t actually sprint i won the race by a huge margin the biggest since well since a one off race about 20 years prior the zwift win race what s that got to do with plan 2020 let me explain in the last 10 years three local racers all masters women that did bethel and raced in the area have gone on to do some incredible things on the track winning national titles even multiple world titles the latest was this year when ck won three golds and more at worlds plus a whole slew of medals at nationals with everything getting uploaded to youtube and the internet i could watch some of the events see pictures and check times since i was on zwift all the time i would put youtube on a different screen and watch bike racing while i zwifted specifically i watched track racing so i watched clips of a lot of women doing the 500m tt elite women do the 500m elite men do the 1000m aka the kilo importantly masters men over 50 do the 500m i looked at their bar set up if they did drop bars or aero bars drop bars meant you could have lower drops and a further forward saddle aero bars meant bars had to clear the tire and the saddle had to be 5 cm further back with such a short event it seems that most riders use drop bars although technically aero bars if you can put down big power on them should be faster i watched the elite men also but mainly to watch their starts it s a very unique part of track racing unlike a normal acceleration on a road bike and to see what sort of insane 500m times they d set due to the length of the kilo they all use aero bars so no questions there on set up of course if i looked hard enough the m50 54 stuff was up there also like their 500m tts see once men hit 50 years old they do only a 500m tt not the infamous kilo for me the kilo seemed a bit much sprint until you blow up and then sprint for another 30 seconds no the 500m though that seemed more realistic it seems a really good time for the 500m is about 35 seconds which coincidentally is just a bit longer than 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