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ever been conducted of gender identity in des sons found that 150 out of 500 identified as women a rate of transsexuality hundreds of times higher than in the unexposed population des a treatment for preventing miscarriages was phased out 40 years ago however i think it s highly likely that some of the hormone treatments that replaced it are capable of producing similar effects as far as male development is concerned and this is probably why rates of transsexuality have increased so much in recent years here s a couple of discussions about des as a cause of transsexuality http www lauras playground com forums index php showtopic 20727 http www susans org forums index php topic 84224 0 html may 2 2014 reply serenity i ve read about this before i m a transwoman who may well have been exposed to des in my own wombtime mid 1950s there is also other indicators of exposure cluster which are lack of interest in sports low athletic ability and scores low on spatial relations tests ability to visualize how a building will look by looking at the blueprints for example my experience is that so far female hormones castration and at least some amount of transitioning is the best and most effective way to treat gender dysphoria so one can then get on with one s life thank you for mentioning this information hugh easton there really should be more awareness that most gender dysphorics have a biological developmental component to deal with in life gender dysphoria really is more of a medical issue than a social one imho august 31 2014 reply john cowan interesting i m about your age may also have been exposed and have those traits but it never occurred to me that i was anything but male therefore the traits were male behaviors and in capabilities because i was male and i had them i never understood gender dysphoria until i met out transpeople but i never had any prejudice against them either as an analogy the writer samuel r delany tends to get ignored by people who study black literature because he writes science fiction and fantasy as few black writers do his attitude is that since he s black he s a relative of the delany sisters what he writes is by definition black literature november 28 2017 reply jen terf s have forgotten the battles fought for so called women s liberation now they are trying to suppress equality for a specific group of women nope just trying to point out the obvious that males aren t women the admin of this blog is a male a male a male a male he is a male a biological man april 15 2014 reply sam nope just trying to point out the obvious that males aren t women the admin of this blog is a male a male a male a male he is a male a biological man so jen are you simply unaware of all the studies of transgendered people s brains indicating that they match those of the gender they self identify as as opposed to the gender they were assigned at birth or are you deliberately ignoring them the idea of deliberately excluding women from a movement designed to empower women based simply on physical defects is ridiculous and sets a dangerous precedent should we exclude women that have gotten hysterectomies women that have gotten masectomies women in wheelchairs women with neurological disorders women with congenital birth defects the problem with this sort of feminism is that it alienates and diminishes people something that proves counterproductive within a movement aimed at achieving universal equality april 16 2014 reply kaur err i m not trans but i don t think it s fair to characterize being trans as a birth defect that s rather condescending it would be like saying homosexuality is a defect because it is less common it s likely that some trans people feel their bodies are defective but i doubt all do however it is fair to point out that what a lot of terfs fail to acknowledge is that physical sex like gender is infinitely more complex than we give it credit for there are various types of intersexuality which result in people with both male and female characteristics e g xy chromosomes and female external anatomy even just among cis women there is no one physical characteristic which could be said to be exclusively present in females women and present in all females women i also don t feel super comfortable pointing to science to legitimize what should be completely unquestioned and uncontroversial respect and non discrimination for a person s identity appealing to science to justify that trans women are real women only implicitly furthers the terf notion that there are groups of real men and real women that we outsiders no less can objectively sort people into or exclude people from may 3 2014 reply lis there is no such thing as cis it s a term used to degrade and separate women born women february 2 2018 admin https en oxforddictionaries com definition cisgender february 3 2018 jane_s kaur see that s the thing as a transsexual when i was growing up i felt broken specifically because there was a way to fix me what i needed was medical treatment the medical treatment existed it seemed very likely to make me much happier like happy enough to probably not want to kill myself anymore thus it made perfect sense to me that i had a birth defect abstractly it was the birth defect of having a mismatched brain and my nether parts but ultimately my brain is me if you fixed the brain it would involve erasing me and letting someone else some new person constructed by brain surgery or something to have my nether parts even if reparative therapy worked it would be bad and when bigoted parents try to get their children mentally repaired it has never worked thus morally and pragmatically my female brain was me and the birth defect was my nether parts and that could be fixed so it should have been simple right the problem was that i had eyes and ears just like you i could see what people said about obvious gender transitioners and i could see that no public institutions would provide medical care because most voters thought that people like me were basically human garbage the now deceased senator jesse helms may he burn in hell put a spike into the americans with disabilities act to specifically exclude transsexuals because he could see as well as i can that the text describing who the disabled are as it was written and any reasonable person would interpret it applied to transsexuals like me so he proposed an amendment to that act and specifically excluded transsexuals like a right wing hate monger like a terf it is a pretty clear smoking gun we want to help the disabled so let s make a law saying they will get help except transsexuals are technically disabled and we hate them so let s make it so we help all the disabled except for the icky ones and so at this point my entire adult life has been organized around earning money and paying for medical care on my own first in my late teens to pay for basic transition stuff then i socially transitioned and borrowed all that i could for college and spent it on medical care i finally had bottom surgery out of pocket when i as 25 and spent my entire 20s paying off medical debts now i ve spent the first half of my 30s struggling to save enough for ivf surrogacy adoption whatever with my husband so we can have a baby i understand that transsexuals are an untouchable caste i understand that people with compromised fertility are considered subhuman and mostly feel shame about their brokenness i stopped expecting reproductively functional cis people in large groups thinking casually about my life from a distance and then voting on how i should be treated to care about me long long long ago i m crying as i write this because my life has been disfigured by biological failures and the casual hate of strangers and there s nothing i can do to change it cue the i will survive theme song and imagine 20 years spent working 60 hour weeks to pay for medical bills sometimes i wonder if it would have been more courageous to become a prostitute for the cash but i haven t killed myself and i pass well enough that my male bosses have felt comfortable making transphobic jokes in my presence so i can hold down reasonably high paying jobs to actually have a hope of paying for these medical bills but it leaves me with a measure of survivors guilt because other trans women aren t as lucky and i don t hate individual cis people face to face because i understand that you only come together in groups by accident to casually and thoughtlessly vote to create the social and medical hellscape i ve been navigating my entire life it isn t like you thin much about it it isn t like you especially want to hurt disabled people it isn t like most of you hate me specifically its just that there are so many of you and there s a background culture of transphobia and cultural inertia is what it is so it goes you know so i guess that relative to the baseline normal outcomes for a member of a untouchable caste i m doing pretty good but honestly i gave up on a desire to be simultaneously understood and respected long long long ago me and people like me who admittedly are not all trans women trans women like me are a minority within the minority of transgender people in general just wish that our birth defects could have been treated like the birth defects instead of treating our birth defects as a reason to throw us in the garbage and leave us to survive on our own seriously i hate identity politics so much because it makes political discussions like this turn into respect and feeling natural and understanding instead of about dollars and medical care and formal de jure institutional discrimination like imagine if people with cleft palates were considered cursed by god were abandoned by their parents and formed homeless encampments with distinctive subcultures and only then did medical science advance enough to understand that cleft palates are caused by folic acid deficiencies during pregnancy and that reparative surgeries could fix them insurance companies didn t want to pay for it and so they held onto the cursed by god theory for a while and claimed reparative surgeries were experimental slow progress is made against this some people with cleft palates argue that they deserve respect as is and refuse the surgery and then some well meaning liberals showed up and said that people with cleft palates shouldn t want surgery and shouldn t think of themselves as having a disabling birth defect because their unique culture was worthy of respect and their body shapes were natural and the politicians would love to get votes by handing out respect rather than medical coverage because respect is cheap and politicians have a lot of people asking for various kinds of help and so folic acid never becomes part of the standard of peri natal care and cleft palate kids mostly don t get surgery and end up in a subculture for me it stopped being about respect when i was 17 years old it is about medical care if respect is a pre condition for medical care i want respect if disrespect is a pre condition for medical care i want dis respect now i and trans women like me just want actual physical help because i had a birth defect and i m still kind of disabled and if you re an infertile woman and reading this please notice how your medical insurance probably doesn t cover the medical care that would help you have a baby if that makes you sad you and me are now in the same boat the explicitly transsexual stuff is in my past if explicitly transsexual medical care is covered or not that helps this generation of trans kids not me but fertility treatment expenses are something my husband and i are facing right now and from where i m sitting the way that infertile women are treated by insurance companies and the government looks pretty similar to the way teenaged trans girls were and sometimes still are treated and that should make you think i think and i think the way insurance for fertility treatments work won t change until infertile women start thinking about what they really want and think about shame and silence and how silent shame makes it feasible for people to ignore people who are actually really in trouble medical care exists thus the thing that medical care ameliorates is a defect and you shouldn t be ashamed to call yourself defective if admitting that you re defective is the first step to fixing something that is actually broken and can be fixed august 18 2014 reply morgane blah blah blah you dont exist blah blah blah you re not real come on really terfs are focused on the wrong thing and its time that this philosophy saw the bright light of reality society has moved on and we are more complex than the 2nd wave terfy feminists were fighting for their right to self determination which i am grateful they and their predecessors won for us hard as it was now we have moved on here is where current thinking is going from reasonable cis feminists the current relevant ones that do not yell into an echo chamber of their sisters http settlerimmigrant wordpress com nothing about us without us april 16 2014 reply susie awoman sister june 17 2015 reply leslie michelle the damage done by the terf radicals is more far reaching than just the denial of healthcare housing and basic human rights to a group of people already marginalized by much of society there is a very real body count that can be laid at the feet of these hateful people how do they sleep at night march 16 2014 reply chelsea solis it s quite simple they don t view intersexed and transpeople as people they view them as monsters to be destroyed so when they read about trans people being tortured raped or murdered they laugh it off and pat each other on the back because they are monsters they are the west boro baptist church of feminism march 21 2014 reply mimi6000 oh please this is bullshit someone can disagree with your stance without being accused of denying your humanity as people so when someone disagrees with you it makes him or her a monster denying your right of existence why can t you suggest some counter arguments instead of demonizing your opponent no radical feminist i know ever laugh it off when they read about trans people being tortured or murdered you must confuse them with some mras because they are men and some men tend to find torture of trans quite amusing you should focus your effort on these guys instead of demonizing a bunch of lesbians who will never actually kill rape and murder a trans person the only thing you can accuse them of being guilty is that they criticize some of your claims it is a political debates and if you think they re wrong fine but then come with some actual arguments and why do you always confuse intersex people with transpeople they re a difference between someone born with an undefined sex thus who must battle in their life to find their place as a gendered person and a baby born with perfectly shaped sexual organs who choose willingly 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