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mentoring program are served by gen chat aoc s f2p gen chat is pretty dead right now with only gold spammers for the most part so a mentoring program could be useful there but wow being the 900 lb gorilla and having the rep of being populated with l2p noob denizens definitely needs something to show that not everybody is an asshat in the game now if they could do something about the nerd ragers in bgs posted by redbeard at 12 36 pm 2 comments email this blogthis share to x share to facebook share to pinterest labels blizzard newbie stuff news wow saturday july 7 2012 on mists and the smart kids anne stickney stirred up a bit of a hornets nest with her post on wow insider the smart kids or why cataclysm failed to impress her points about the complaints with cataclysm that it was not what we thought we wanted struck a bit of a nerve with people i can t say i disagree with her assessment that people thought they wanted one thing such as a revamped old world and it turned out that they really wanted was something new and innovative however her assertions that mists has what will cure the complainers ills has me raising an eyebrow in skepticism one thing that i have to point out is that the beta people say the stuff about mists that they were saying about cata how great new and interesting it is remember how people got excited about having to work in the new instances and how they made you use cc etc etc well that excitement didn t last long in cata and i don t expect it to last long in mists either blizz doesn t want to sit on its laurels because pleasing only the complainers is a reactionary thing they want to grow beyond 10 mil subs but the problem is that gaining new subs is becoming more and more difficult to a new sub pandaria is all about the endgame because they have to go from l1 l85 just to get to pandaria want to start as a new sub with a pandaren it s going to cost you because you have to buy the whole shebang yes blizz does specials but if you don t know someone who plays then blizz specials are an unknown item if blizz pleases only a portion of the playerbase like they did in cata they ll be hard pressed to stand still the race to l90 is already being plotted out and the talent changes haven t exactly put the theorycrafters out of business either pet battles will keep theorycrafters busy as well anybody who watches games of mtg in action knows that magic players and their pokemon kin are out for blood before i hear someone tell me that oh but it s all about fun i ll say this are you nuts don t people remember the beanie baby craze where collectors when absolutely bananas over those stuffed animals i ve seen how obsessive collectors can be just go to a flea market and watch the sideshow and blizz could be unleashing something they did not intend by mixing theorycrafting with pet collecting what i m saying is that mists isn t going to be a panacea it s going to have good points and bad points and there will be unintended consequences of actions take lfr for instance lfr is going to have a much larger impact on mists than it did on cata and its mere presence will cause people to burn through endgame content more quickly than ever before so while there may be more endgame content at launch blizz may find people complaining that they re bored just as quickly as with cata blizz is also a business so they re going to make some decisions on economics rather than pleasing the player base just because wow is raking in cash doesn t mean that blizz is not under pressure from activision to increase profits if there s one rule of today s wall street it s what have you done for me lately oh that s great you brought in xxx this year but that s the same as last year where s the growth potential why haven t you increased subscriptions what is your plan to expand into the high growth asian market how are you keeping your costs down when viewed through the lens of the smart kids as anne did i really don t see any other mmo that would cause the smart kids to leave and stick with because the eq wow standard mmo model is still the dominant form out there perhaps if they wanted a true challenge there s eve online but really it s easier to complain than to actually try something different the secret world holds some promise of breaking the traditional mold but it s still too early to tell posted by redbeard at 12 56 pm 4 comments email this blogthis share to x share to facebook share to pinterest labels cataclysm complainers mists of pandaria monday july 2 2012 where s my peace and quiet anybody who has created a new toon in wow the past several years knows that with a few exceptions the starting zones have been empty of life sure there was the surge in goblins and worgen the first few months of cataclysm and there was the death knight invasion at the beginning of wrath but in general you simply don t see a lot of activity in the starting zones the situation is so bad that blizz is considering a specialized form of server merge to make the intro zones seem more active on the premise that blizz is losing potential new subs because there s nobody on wow the funny thing is among the mmos i ve played wow is the deadest game at the low levels sure you could argue that the f2p nature of some games like lord of the rings online and age of conan means that you ll see higher numbers of people trying those games out in the case of aoc detractors will point out that the tortage intro area is the best developed part of the game as well lotro has the benefit of name recognition among non gamers and has a more developed f2p area than aoc then we come to a title like the old republic sure it s got that name recognition but so did star trek online it s also got its detractors saying that the game is dead and a failure then why are the intro and lowbie zones so busy when i tried tor on one of the free weekends a month or two back i found the intro zone for the trooper and smuggler filled with people 100 this was before any talk of server consolidation became a reality and according to some statistical analyses contains the least played class smuggler in the game after hemming and hawing about it i picked up the game last week logged in to get access to the smuggler i started and found over 100 people in coruscant alone each planet i ve been to since taris and nar shaddaa has had a similar population level in the late evenings these aren t twinks but people leveling actual toons when was the last time that you saw 100 people in ashenvale northern barrens or loch modan wetlands that didn t involve a holiday event outside of the first month after 4 0 1 dropped i can t think of any the past 3 4 years hell the past month or two the population in stormwind in an evenly divided server ysera has been averaging 45 50 people a night that s right the big central home for an entire faction is averaging less population than a lowbie leveling zone in tor is it the end of an expac sure but do you expect more than 50 people in your home city on an average night even at this late date yes and the week after d3 dropped the population plunged to 20 25 people before recovering getting back to the low level zones perhaps the maturity of wow hurts it the most in these areas since the entire mmo is geared toward endgame look at it this way how many recent posts geared toward mists are talking about endgame already how many are saying well if your guild wants to raid you have to be at l90 by xxx date after launch so you d better get ready how many are plotting out all the class changes for mists so you ll be ready to get to l90 and raid as soon as you can to me this means that the focus of the two mmo populations is completely different design intent or not the tor population s values are different than wow s i could make a very successful argument that wow s population is big enough that you can t make any generalizations but at the same time the focus of wow s expansions and content are mostly on the endgame when they did attempt to rework the old world in cata the results were incomplete at best and blizzard took a pr beating from people who complained there wasn t enough to do once they got to l85 tor suffers from the there s nothing to do at l50 stigma so maybe the leveling activity is part of a desire of people to explore all of the class stories i tend to doubt this however due to one other item gen chat itself unlike the other mmos i ve played i ve noticed a lot more basic mmo questions in tor s gen chat yesterday i fielded a question about using the word drop in mmo parlance and i could tell by my conversation that the person on the other end was completely new to the game and mmos in general people were less inclined in gen chat to say l2p noob as well in an almost lotro level of tolerance that doesn t mean that tor is free of spammers in gen chat on taris there were enough chuck norris jokes i quipped that barrens chat has been reborn in taris does this mean that tor is better than wow no it doesn t it just means that tor is different than wow pronunciations by the suits and pundits aside tor caters to a different sort of player than wow does sure the mechanics are similar and most of the under the hood character development is similar but tor seems to have taken over the mantle of the first mmo you ll ever play from wow blizzard knows what it is good at endgame and an expansive world that somehow works if you ignore the story continuity issues and if it sticks to that for mists it will do well if it tries to somehow outdo tor to lure those new mmo players over it may be making a cataclysm sized mistake by trying to turn a game with a high intro cost into something it s not mists is set to drop probably by october at the latest and we ll see what blizz has in mind with their marketing campaign until then i guess it s safe to say that if you want peace and quiet in your leveling go hang out in azeroth for a while and lowbie zones of course when 4 0 1 dropped and all of the quests changed the lowbie zones were a hive of activity for a month and a half until cata dropped then they almost instantly dried up and running the numbers for the budget i got several lols from gen chat on that quip which made it worth my while although for my money i d suggest people try lotro first it s f2p after all so you re not out of money if you don t like the concept posted by redbeard at 10 37 pm 6 comments email this blogthis share to x share to facebook share to pinterest labels intro leveling swtor wow newer posts older posts home subscribe to comments atom pages home about parallel context about redbeard contact us azeroth after dark a parallel context companion site mmo podcasts blizzard watch diablo 4 lord of hatred waiting room 3 days ago podcasts massively overpowered massively op podcast episode 563 in the name of the windrose 5 days ago twisted nether blogcast moving to youtube episodes 346 348 3 months ago battle bards the final refrain 1 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