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ek and egyptian pantheons for the campaign and world building some roleplaying in character but not pure amateur thespian hour and absolutely no romance that last one was a hard no from us players as we were all dating and or married and we really just wanted to focus on a campaign with no romantic escapades involved we ve had romantic subplots in our campaign back in college and when it s involving people who are actually dating irl who then break up it gets really ugly really fast therefore just keeping things platonic would make it easier for everybody we players figured that with the ground rules set we were ready to play things worked out okay for a while and outside of us using im to play this was 2001 2 after all things seemed to progress decently well after a couple of years however our dm began trying to slip in romantic subplots and the occasional conan esque nudity into the game we all knew our dm who was a bit of a horndog back in college so we just figured it was him being him and we didn t take the rather obvious bait we kind of kept things at bay until a new player joined the group for a few years he was a coworker of the dm and he wanted to play a bard you can see where this is going right yeah they both went there the bard started wanting to screw every woman he met and this began to wear on us this isn t what we wanted and we definitely didn t ask for it and it kept diverting us from the actual campaign then the dm started having npcs hit on my character and i began having to be more forceful in my nipping of those subplots in the bud the rest of us began talking among ourselves about whether we need to take a stand with the dm and then the problem solved itself the new player had to stop playing and just like that the division mostly evaporated mostly the dm still would try to sneak in some opportunities for romance here and there but we ignored them and kept the game focused on the campaign in the last few months of our campaign before it ended however the dm began to ratchet up the opportunities and the pg 13 nature of those encounters i won t lie and say otherwise but after 20 years we players had had enough there were several other things that contributed to our decision to want to end the campaign but one of the top complaints on our list was that the dm kept pushing the romance and sexual angles on us i think it needs to be said that we re all adults and we can handle adult themes however people have to buy into the concept of romance and shenanigans or you re risking a lot by trying to push it on people when they don t want it i personally would have to be in the right frame of mind to accommodate an rpg campaign with romance and i ll also freely admit that i am not an actor in that i would have issues separating the character s from the player s i probably could do it if i were in say a play or musical or something but in a ttrpg that d be harder okay that s tabletop rpgs but mmos hoo boy that s an entirely different kettle of fish if asmongold s your dad nixxiom i m a jelly doughnut outside of occasionally being hit on by some oversexed player i ve never been in a romantic situation with another mmo player before and you can t not realize that there s another player on the other end which separates it from npc romances such as the companion romances in swtor mmo rp romances are going to be with another character and the specter of erp and goldshire s lion s pride inn hovers over everything there s this too and yes i ve kept this from an old meme monday just because some people can make it work but i m almost completely certain that i can t but if you not me for certain want more detail about doing romance rp in mmos yes it s wow but applicable in all of them there s this i guess knowing my limitations is a good thing and that i m not planning on putting myself into a situation where they would get tested if you can handle it more power to you i think i ll just go do my own thing instead and leave the romance in mmos to y all oh and because i couldn t resist here now you ll never hear that old sonny and cher song the same way although i have made some attempts to check out the genre because the only way to know if you ll like it is to try it ironically enough i think that between the two of us i m the romantic one that doesn t mean that i m not as clueless as the next guy in trying to figure out if someone is hitting on me actually my son nicknamed mr oblivious or captain oblivious due to his cluelessness about such things is a chip off the old block spouses and significant others who are playing the other toon you re romancing kind of get a pass on this since you re obviously thinking of the other person who you re already romantically involved with they don t need me to tell them that but consider it just an observation that i m happy the next generation has taken the reins from us older folks and run with it in the same way that i m proud my kids have engaged with the hobby over the years for all of the get offa my lawn sort of behavior from the old guard who are as old or older than me i just wanted to get it out there that i m happy they re showing their love for the hobby and contributing to its overall success and maybe this year i ll get a chance to run into one of them at gen con it also goes without saying that some of the old guard have opened their arms to the new generation of content creators people like matt colville professor dm and baron de ropp could have circled their collective wagons and been assholes toward the new blood but they haven t and our hobby is all the better for it the dm was married to one of the players in fact if you re not an adult it goes without saying that parental guidance is strongly suggested my oldest once attended an rpg game session in high school with some acquaintances and all of the guys there tried to hit on her character and by extension her she got really creeped out and that was the end of that posted by redbeard at 6 00 am no comments email this blogthis share to x share to facebook share to pinterest labels d d memes music musings romance rpgs videos wow tuesday may 13 2025 what is valuable and who decides it is luke is the dark side stronger yoda no quicker easier more seductive from the empire strikes back okay after being a classic andy for what s likely the millionth time since roughly july 2014 i began to have some second thoughts what if i am not remembering things correctly what if what i like about classic wow has an analogue in retail what if i m letting my dislike of the state of the game over a decade ago color my opinions too much well the tl dr is that i decided to do something about it this screencap is obviously not when she was brand spanking new you d have thought i d have remembered to take an initial screenshot but nope i believe this is called putting my money where my mouth is for the record livona here was created on wyrmrest accord us an rp realm with a high population in the era of shared aka dynamically merged servers this may not mean much from wowrealmpopulation com wyrmrest accord has 10 5k active characters snapshot from wowrealmpopulation com as of may 11 2025 although given the current state and capability of retail wow to create innumerable alts this might represent only 500 individual accounts okay i m kidding but you never know as you can see wyrmrest accord is roughly 33 alliance so not a 50 50 split but decently sized enough that i ought to expect to see some bodies out and about look i m no dummy and wyrmrest accord has been around as an active server since 2009 so it s likely that i shouldn t expect that many people in any starter zone my previous foray into retail with new toons confirmed that but i decided i was going to try this for more than just a few minutes i figured i d go to a zone that i was intimately familiar with and one that hadn t changed since cataclysm elwynn forest it still feels weird entering into goldshire and seeing a flight point there i mean it s a 3 minute run up to stormwind so you re not saving that much time now i knew that the cataclysm changes meant things were different in elwynn as compared to the og vanilla version but i couldn t remember just how jarring things were therefore i decided to approach this as if i were brand new to the game and didn t go to exile s reach or did it once and wanted to start over with the original experience what would make sense what wouldn t how would i feel as i played the game i discovered very early on that i wasn t going to be able to remain objective because i did have opinions and those opinions came to the forefront from practically the 3rd or 4th quest you re kidding me right have you seen how full my health bar is and how little effort it took to revive you i mean look at the comment by the npc that i healed on the battlefield i had hardly even done anything in the game and i was being called a hero for a person who prefers irl to fly under the radar this is somewhat disconcerting i kept expecting someone to pop out from behind the tree in the screencap and say ha fooled you but beyond that what stood out to me the most about the very beginning in northshire abbey was that the quest text there implied you knew things about the pre cataclysm era of world of warcraft a new player won t know that and if you relied too much on what might have been there originally in game you d only confuse a new player further before you point out that a new player might have been expecting to go straight away and play the war within i m not going there i don t think that s likely to be the case a new player to wow probably has the vague idea that the game is old now and they will likely have to start off somewhere else first before they can get to the current expansion they re called expansions for a reason and they don t replace the old game only add to it i did notice that the number of quests in northshire abbey were cut by quite a bit despite all the trainers and other original npcs still present in the game yes there aren t a lot of quests around the abbey to begin with but the speed of completion was still record breaking for me it usually takes me about 20 30 minutes to be off to goldshire in classic era but even with me loitering around a bit i was out of there in about 15 minutes if i d have pushed it i could have been done with northshire abbey in about 6 7 minutes and most of that would have been spent running back and forth from the nearby vineyard so i was off to goldshire and since i was on the way i thought it a good idea to go visit stormwind s bank to drop off some of the initial gear that i already had replaced in vanilla classic if you were lucky you might have gotten a couple of pieces replaced by quest rewards but in retail everything was replaced by the time i reached the lion s pride inn i m not sure what i expected to find in stormwind but looking like classic era servers right in the middle of tbc classic wasn t it i saw the same toon by the same npc over the course of a couple of hours no i wasn t playing straight over those few hours i just did a half an hour here and there over the course of the entire day i had things to do after all i eventually found a few toons around note the naxxramas tier set on that caster beyond the darkmoon faire mage on the right i think it s the discount naxx reskin from wrath of the lich king but i wasn t paying too close attention at the time but they never lasted long and to be fair they were the only people i actually saw in the game up to that point i didn t see a soul in northshire abbey or elwynn forest at first even though i spread my game time over several hours and a couple of days i will come back to that later after leaving stormwind i see they finally repaired the damage caused by deathwing to the entrance i think it was still in a state of disrepair in mists in 2014 i resumed questing in elwynn forest even though i was l6 7 the report to westfall quest was already available if i wanted it i didn t so i continued to accumulate the traditional elwynn quests the maclure and stonefield farms and the nearby fargodeep mine instead of the giant pig named princess being halfway across the zone as in classic wow princess is right in the field beside you as you re talking to the quest giver also unlike classic wow she s not accompanied by two extra members of her entourage which means the fight is actually quite simple despite her size somebody has been feeding that pig miracle gro because she s a lot bigger now than in classic wow what got me was that the turn in text block doesn t look like it had been changed from vanilla wow ma am she s right behind me can t miss her despite that the quests i ran into were largely the same as their vanilla counterpart thankfully you didn t need any knowledge of vanilla wow to understand the context so that worked but there was one big difference between the vanilla wow and retail wow versions of the zone what on earth are you doing out here in vanilla wow the mini boss goldtooth is at the back of the fargodeep mine which makes it a challenge to get to before i hear any complaints about how easy vanilla wow really is from a complexity standpoint i have to point out that typically the fargodeep mine is where a toon will likely die for the first time respawns and the narrow passages make any mine dangerous but to get to goldtooth you have to go all the way to the back oh and you likely have to fight a few adds when you pull goldtooth here being outside the mine and off without any nearby adds he s pretty much a sitting duck even if goldtooth were at the back of the mine i doubt he would have posed much of a challenge hell my health bar didn t go beyond the halfway mark until i decided to test how much of a wrecking ball you are with wow s greatest enemies murlocs i had to actually go back the other night to get this screencap because i was kind of busy when i last went through here like the jingle for doublemint gum murlocs like to double or triple the fun by having multiples attack you in vanilla wow if the mines don t kill you in elwynn the murlocs likely will the retail wow version of the elwynn forest murlocs did not disappoint me as i fought packs of 2 or 3 at once while i didn t die at all that pack of 3 that jumped me before i could eat and regain health very nearly did me in if i were more cautious and if i hadn t had the experience of invincibility up to that point in retail wow i likely wouldn t have pulled that many murlocs so there i stood at l9 after about 90 minutes of actual playing the game although i might be generous on the 90 minute mark as i was screwing around a bit making trips to stormwind to dump stuff into the bank taking screenshots and hunting for other people in the area i did finally find a few people in goldshire love me two times girl one for tomorrow one just for today love me two times i m goin away i 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