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l as if it were autumn or even westfall or duskwood to be as alive or undead as in western duskwood as all that however if you read quest text in the human areas you don t get those impressions at all the area around elwynn forest and even duskwood and redridge are filled with quest text about normal things not boy am i glad that we survived the wars it s as if there s collective amnesia about wc1 and wc2 and believe me people in westfall would absolutely remember the horde invasion because based on the timeline they would have just gotten back on their feet when the defias cut their legs out from under them if you thought that timeline might be off here s the one from wowpedia 0 first war 4 second war 8 warcraft 2x tides of darkness 20 third war 23 warcraft 3x the frozen throne 25 world of warcraft 26 the burning crusade 27 wrath of the lich king as you can see the dates are pretty similar except for wowpedia moving the second war back two years you might look at that timeline and think yeah that seems about right but you know what i see the thirty years war it was one of the most destructive conflicts in history went from 1618 1648 and was responsible for the death of 1 in every 5 german language speakers in europe wikipedia puts the number of european deaths at 8 million and although i m not completely certain it s accurate it s good enough for me the sheer brutality of the conflict made the thirty years war one of the first that you could arguably call total war where entire regions were laid waste and depopulated and entire nations mobilized you know what i don t see evidence of the thirty years war warcraft style in wow classic bucolic that s a good word for this and there s nary a sign that a short time ago this was supposedly all devastation those certainly don t look like 15 20 year old trees even if you have rapidly growing ones such as silver maple and before you say burning steppes searing gorge or desolace all three happened prior to the timeline above the only regions that you could safely say fall under the entire region laid waste designation are the blasted lands home of ye olde dark portal the plaguelands tirisfal glades felwood and the southernmost part of winterspring where the burning legion is still present along the border with hyjal and of those only the blasted lands stretches back to the second war all the others happened only a few years before classic in the third war azshara been that way since the war of the ancients silithus been that way for thousands of years since the kaldorei and their allies shut the qiraji inside their prison stonetalon mountains it s not so much as laid waste as an ecological disaster brought on by the venture company i find it hard to believe that the cataclysm expac had a greater impact on the eastern continent than the wars between orcs and humans and don t get me started on the buildings i knew that castle building was a huge endeavor that drained the coffers of more than one monarchy edward i of england for one so the reconstruction of stormwind being hugely expensive doesn t shock me but building a castle in medieval times took anywhere from 2 to 10 years depending on the size and complexity of the job but an entire city a decent comparison is how long it took to rebuild london after the great fire of 1666 and it took about 50 years and that s with mainly wooden structures not stone compare that with stormwind s less than 17 5 years probably more like 10 given it takes time for the defias afterward to take root and you re left scratching your head 10 years yeah but if you had far larger population than what the ravaged human lands stormwind lordaeron the rest have it took a far larger english population 50 years to rebuild london after the great fire and don t forget that on top of that there s places such as menethil harbor lakeshire goldshire darkshire sentinel hill theramore and the now abandoned areas of raven hill and moonbrook oh and the towers scattered throughout the area don t forget that dalaran was rebuilding within its bubble too and somewhere in all that nethergarde keep was built manned and then was the staging area for the invasion of draenor speaking of buildings let s talk about the horde cities too the undercity well that was always there underneath lordaeron so let s just assume it was made un livable with minimal effort but thunder bluff and orgrimmar they just sprang out of the ground within 2 years looking like that and while the tauren encampments around kalimdor were built and designed for a nomadic native american asthetic which are believable but the size and scope of constructing orgrimmar alone particularly while the newly reformed horde with the frostwolves in charge were constantly under threat makes me raise my eyebrows i don t have an active horde toon so this one is from blizzard watch btw if you want info on all things blizz they re the one to to go check out i could see this in 2 years but that s only if thrall and co weren t constantly fending for their lives so yeah call me skeptical but i look at that timeline and think nah not happening even if you enlist the help of mages to build all of this the sheer volume of activity might require every single mage found in azeroth to get it done properly in such a short timeline and believe me any mage worth their salt would make sure that you never forgot that and remember all this construction had to be completed early enough so that it feels like all of these buildings have been there for quite a while because nobody surely talks about the before times hell there are quests in elwynn forest that imply that people grew up and grew old on the farm it s the lover s questline the only difference in the timelines that makes any sort of sense is the time between the end of the third war and wow classic vanilla everything else well it doesn t really make sense if you extend the time between the end of the 2nd war and the beginning of the 3rd war to about 30 years that makes the reconstruction and fading memories more realistic but it then proceeds to throw off the personal timeline of major npcs particularly thrall jaina vol jin arthas and others i can see why blizz would want to keep the timeline intact for the npcs sake but they could have easily altered the world they built in wow to reflect the true state of affairs rather than present a bucolic countryside that they did in the starting zones for tauren orcs trolls humans gnomes and dwarves and i ll be frank i d never have noticed how off the timeline really was until i went and looked up the timeline because i was writing fiction when i figured out the true timeline based on what was found on the original wow website i blurted out bullshit that is not what is presented in game oh hey kira card says hi movement at the speed of plot and all that i removed every little detail that was provided in the wowpedia version and instead matched the major events with the official version you can t really say germans since germany as a state didn t exist until the 19th century the museum of london has a great pdf file on the great fire which i won t link to because of potential security risks however if you type in how long did it take to rebuild london after the great fire it ll pop up as being one of the first hits eta corrected a few grammar issues that s what i get for changing my mind on how to present something and forgetting about the grammar leading up to those changes eta forgot felwood in the list of regions affected by the wc1 through wc3 but my premise still stands as felwood happened during wc3 posted by redbeard at 10 10 am 4 comments email this blogthis share to x share to facebook share to pinterest labels blizzard fiction musings wow classic tuesday june 16 2020 at long last it only took from the beginning of classic until now on both co mains but this finally happened it was one of those epic 3 hour av fights that you hear people who used to play in vanilla brag about the battleground started like any other where the alliance held off the horde for a while but eventually we lost the stonehearth graveyard that usually signals the beginning of the end because the horde gradually accelerates their gains from there but something unusual happened the alliance was able to push back and eventually after an hour to retake the stonehearth graveyard during this time i on az found myself with only another rogue for support so we both sent back the wing commanders and then i took the southern mine that mine capture is typically a love it or hate it move with very few people on the alliance side in the meh camp luckily this time our side was happy for that and i quickly gathered the 10 resources killed off some wolves for the pelts and made it back up north just in time to become a member of the backcap crew and there i spent the vast majority of my time in game part or a 2 3 man crew defending the dun baldar bunkers and graveyard from horde who d outflanked the main force during this time the main force continued their unusally strong push and had a breakthrough by capturing the snowfall graveyard we were able to hold both graveyards and in the process kill off the horde wolfriders and their shamans when the horde lost their shamans their morale broke we were then able to capture the iceblood graveyard and our gains accelerated rather quickly until we finally downed drek i ve been waiting for what felt like forever for this as this is the typical result we see so a victory like this hard fought from beginning to end was something to savor two of them made it back which was unusual in itself posted by redbeard at 2 55 pm 1 comment email this blogthis share to x share to facebook share to pinterest labels battlegrounds wow classic sunday june 14 2020 let me expand on that not too long ago i mentioned that i d gotten into my first true raid ever that was a zul gurub run that looking back on it was a fairly wipe filled run that lasted almost 4 hours however i will say that the raid leader was a real saint he kept calm and never raised his voice as he patiently explained and reexplained how to handle each boss in that raid i learned three things for a raid to be effective you have to be in a voice app of some sort you may not have to talk i saw people reply in raid chat to requests but you must be able to respond to the raid leader s and others directions we had one person in the zg run who was not in chat and that person was simply not following instructions even the written ones as a sub point on that everybody not only has to be in a voice app but be able to understand the language spoken being in a voice app does you almost no good if you don t understand what s being asked of you and yes that 4 hour zg run had at least one person in the raid who didn t understand english and also didn t know the raid it made things difficult at times i like to perform interrupts and stuns on az as part of my work in regular 5 man instances and that part of being a rogue becomes important in zg in the zg run az was literally the only rogue and i got assigned the job of interrupting the healer in the raptor boss when he it splits into three people once that boss was burned down enough i and the off tank were the only ones on that boss for a large part of the fight with me eschewing anything resembling dps in favor of watching for the healing action and then delivering a solid kick to stop it while my job in zg overall wasn t very taxing mainly don t stand in the bad do what the raid leader says to do and just keep my dps slice and dice ability running at this one point i had the big job to make sure we don t make a boss fight that much more difficult and i was able to do the job because i enjoy those little things about being a rogue raids in classic take about as long as the longer instances in wow if you compare a classic level raid molten core zul gurub etc with the longer classic instances blackrock depths maraudon etc the classic instances are either as long or longer than the classic raids so the time commitment by me would be pretty much the same the only thing that the raids have over instances are the buffs and the consumables where mages alchemists and others who handle both items spend considerably more time in preparation than the people who don t have those classes and or professions but despite my initial concern about what to do in zg i found the explanations easy to follow and i learned very quickly that bat riders go boom as i put it in guild chat afterwards what oh that yeah i joined a guild it s a small one and not even close to being in the same orbit as some of the huge guilds on myzrael us such as sunrise or stance dance revolution both of which have over 400 members more on this another time anyhoo i went on another zg run a week later and that run was as smooth as butter it clocked in at just under two hours and we only had one wipe on the trash leading to hakkar we even handled the jin do fight without any problems so fast forward a couple of weeks and a friend who i d run quite a few instances with over the past months whispered me on friday one thing led to another and this was the result yep still running with that brd green drop for my chestpiece still card only died once the majordomo teleported her up front twice it was an alt run put on by two guilds and they pug the extra people the most amazing thing to me was that when i zoned in i discovered that i knew about 1 3 of the people there when i mentioned it to my friend he laughed and said that s the vanilla experience for you maybe i can do this raiding thing after all this zg run was on az for clarity s sake posted by redbeard at 8 59 pm 6 comments email this blogthis share to x share to facebook share to pinterest labels molten core raid wow classic zul gurub wednesday june 10 2020 well that was unexpected back in pre history when people still loved the live action version of game of thrones on hbo the question arose what would happen when the showrunners ran out of george r r martin s a song of fire and ice as source material after all george wasn t known as the speediest of authors and anybody could see that the series on television was going to finish long before the books were well it was revealed back in 2014 that the showrunners had met with george and already knew the broad strokes going forward including how the series would end and while season 7 had its moments including the hodor masterstroke that the showrunners confirmed was george s idea we all know how season 8 ended the series i was thinking about that debacle where there were only broad sketches of what came after the books ended when i read kamalia s post about the existential horror surrounding wow retail s upcoming shadowlands expac reflecting on battle for azeroth namely exactly how much of the warcraft wow story is planned out ahead of time and when i mean planned out i don t mean for an entir...
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