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addaa has had a similar population level in the late evenings these aren t twinks but people leveling actual toons when was the last time that you saw 100 people in ashenvale northern barrens or loch modan wetlands that didn t involve a holiday event outside of the first month after 4 0 1 dropped i can t think of any the past 3 4 years hell the past month or two the population in stormwind in an evenly divided server ysera has been averaging 45 50 people a night that s right the big central home for an entire faction is averaging less population than a lowbie leveling zone in tor is it the end of an expac sure but do you expect more than 50 people in your home city on an average night even at this late date yes and the week after d3 dropped the population plunged to 20 25 people before recovering getting back to the low level zones perhaps the maturity of wow hurts it the most in these areas since the entire mmo is geared toward endgame look at it this way how many recent posts geared toward mists are talking about endgame already how many are saying well if your guild wants to raid you have to be at l90 by xxx date after launch so you d better get ready how many are plotting out all the class changes for mists so you ll be ready to get to l90 and raid as soon as you can to me this means that the focus of the two mmo populations is completely different design intent or not the tor population s values are different than wow s i could make a very successful argument that wow s population is big enough that you can t make any generalizations but at the same time the focus of wow s expansions and content are mostly on the endgame when they did attempt to rework the old world in cata the results were incomplete at best and blizzard took a pr beating from people who complained there wasn t enough to do once they got to l85 tor suffers from the there s nothing to do at l50 stigma so maybe the leveling activity is part of a desire of people to explore all of the class stories i tend to doubt this however due to one other item gen chat itself unlike the other mmos i ve played i ve noticed a lot more basic mmo questions in tor s gen chat yesterday i fielded a question about using the word drop in mmo parlance and i could tell by my conversation that the person on the other end was completely new to the game and mmos in general people were less inclined in gen chat to say l2p noob as well in an almost lotro level of tolerance that doesn t mean that tor is free of spammers in gen chat on taris there were enough chuck norris jokes i quipped that barrens chat has been reborn in taris does this mean that tor is better than wow no it doesn t it just means that tor is different than wow pronunciations by the suits and pundits aside tor caters to a different sort of player than wow does sure the mechanics are similar and most of the under the hood character development is similar but tor seems to have taken over the mantle of the first mmo you ll ever play from wow blizzard knows what it is good at endgame and an expansive world that somehow works if you ignore the story continuity issues and if it sticks to that for mists it will do well if it tries to somehow outdo tor to lure those new mmo players over it may be making a cataclysm sized mistake by trying to turn a game with a high intro cost into something it s not mists is set to drop probably by october at the latest and we ll see what blizz has in mind with their marketing campaign until then i guess it s safe to say that if you want peace and quiet in your leveling go hang out in azeroth for a while and lowbie zones of course when 4 0 1 dropped and all of the quests changed the lowbie zones were a hive of activity for a month and a half until cata dropped then they almost instantly dried up and running the numbers for the budget i got several lols from gen chat on that quip which made it worth my while although for my money i d suggest people try lotro first it s f2p after all so you re not out of money if you don t like the concept posted by redbeard at 10 37 pm 6 comments email this blogthis share to x share to facebook share to pinterest labels intro leveling swtor wow thursday october 1 2009 redbeard checks in i m the other half of this endeavor the wow noob although i m new to wow and other mmo s i ve a long history of gaming both electronic and otherwise as a kid growing up in the 70 s and 80 s i played all sorts of boardgames d d and a boatload of computer games yes i did play the original colossal cave adventure courtesy of a friend s brother in law s computer access zork and the old infocom text adventure games when i went away to college i got exposed to the commodore 64 and the bard s tale the ultima series of rpgs and all sorts of other games of the late 80 s early 90 s while i tend to play the turn based strategy games such as civ i have played and enjoyed the rpgs that use the bioware engine baldur s gate i ii planescape torment and neverwinter nights from all that i entered into the world of mmo s a couple of months ago when i was invited to try out wow as a it person with a programming background i ve been tremendously impressed with the quality of work in wow as a player it s definitely more than i expected far more you can do your solo thing if you want to you can play with a group you can roleplay you can just bash heads if that s your thing the system is flexible and big enough that it s great to simply immerse yourself in and play i can easily see how people can get so addicted to this game as it s a helluva lot of fun just to explore my angle on this blog is going to be from the standpoint of the noob but also one who s just enjoying himself along the way i do have this anal tendency to want to finish whatever quest i picked up no matter if it s gone grey or not but hopefully that won t prove too much of a distraction posted by redbeard at 5 55 pm no comments email this blogthis share to x share to facebook share to 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