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ng positive i don t think someone s a failure just because they don t appeal to everyone if the long tail means anything we should be sharing and celebrating all the small successes as well as the a list except me if i am a success because whenever i get a traffic spike i always think bloody hell what have i gone and said now 5 comments from blogging religion science science is cultures july 17 2009 tags communication i was walking across a bridge one day and i saw a man standing on the edge about to jump off so i ran over and said stop don t do it why shouldn t i he said i said well there s so much to live for he said like what i said well are you religious or atheist he said religious i said me too are you christian or buddhist he said christian i said me too are you catholic or protestant he said protestant i said me too are you episcopalian or baptist he said baptist i said wow me too are you baptist church of god or baptist church of the lord he said baptist church of god i said me too are you original baptist church of god or are you reformed baptist church of god he said reformed baptist church of god i said me too are you reformed baptist church of god reformation of 1879 or reformed baptist church of god reformation of 1915 he said reformed baptist church of god reformation of 1915 i said die heretic scum and pushed him off emo phillips demonstrates no one is generically religious i had 2000 words on mooney and kirshenbaum s blogging typed up i was going to leave it for my own files then i was going to work it in a blog post since then there s been a bit of a meltdown on the intersection that means i m not going to pick through most of their contradictions there s plenty of other people doing that and at worst if i do it badly it s going to feed into the they re victims of the big blogger bullying pz in the national media argument delete as appropriate they re the two popular frames for the argument and being seen in one or the other pretty well railroads you into one siding or another i m aware frames are deeply unpopular with some science bloggers if you re not familiar with them they come from an opinion piece in science framing science by nisbett and mooney which argued that scientists should communicate their work in a social context or frame which resonated with the public to social scientists the idea that texts have social contexts is a mundane observation to scientists who entered the sciences because they were interested in science rather than culture this is perhaps less obvious at its most basic the message is know your audience which appears in more or else every book on presentation i ve read where framing science went further is that it seemed to assume that science was political and communication was advocacy my opinion was that science was political with a small p but that the culture in science was built around trying to minimise that effect to create a neutral product as far as i know there s no explicitly socialist law of gravity nisbett and mooney failed to either realise or convincingly accomodate how antithetical to some notions of science their proposal was either frames are nonsense or their methods were an example of doing frames badly spin on to 2009 and mooney and kirshenbaum are advocating a change in practice in some scientists that s perfectly reasonable no one i know thinks science communication is perfect one of their stated targets is to change the behaviour of scientists who are unsympathetic towards religious belief this isn t irrational they give reasons and come to a conclusion whether or not you agree with them isn t the problem if you do think the new atheists should turn down the volume then how do you go about it telling the people you want to persuade that they re bad people and their narrow mindedness is harming science isn t the method i d choose if i were to argue that the biggest benefit to science communication would be for pz myers to stop attacking religion to pick a totally random example then i d want to frame my message so that it resonated with people like pz myers i might argue that aggressive debate with a public which isn t used to evidence based debate as part of everyday life is polarising this is a problem if you occupy a small minority position because the problem is political rather than scientific and politics is about quantity rather than quality i d preface my argument with data to show it wasn t something i pulled out of the air this is because even if you think new atheists are dogmatic it s part of their self image that they aren t so data would play well with them if new atheists genuinely aren t dogmatic then they can examine the data anyway so it s win win of course if the data doesn t exist to support the proposition i might want to question if my position was sound mooney and kirshenbaum have adopted a somewhat different tactic they ve aggressively gone after pz myers omitting some details myers thinks are important in their discussion even if mooney and kirshenbaum are entirely correct in what they say this still a catastrophic failure of frame if they intend to alter myers behaviour this failure is being compounded on their weblog i m left wondering who the target of the frame is in theory it looks fine mooney and kirshenbaum are the pragmatic scientists who are fed up with the god wars that s a frame which should appeal to a lot of atheists who can t be bothered with religion because they have no interest however the discussion of how the new atheists are bad people pulls it right back into that argument the only way that could make sense is if science is a monoculture that s where seed magazine is wrong science isn t culture science is cultures plural with differing motivations methods even social behaviour physicists will often publish to pre print servers and work from those rather than wait for formal publication in a journal other scientists wouldn t i ve lost track of how many different definitions different disciplines have for the word agent i ve visited one combined department where people identified which sub field you were working in by seeing what you were drinking one group drank beer one group drank wine and the third drank to forget throw in complicating factors like personal political views and scientists are not a homogenous bunch you can t reach everyone and you don t even need to try you can pick your fights the same assumption of a homeogenous and passive audience is seen elsewhere many comments have argued that dawkins problem is that he isn t sagan sagan was respected sagan bridge science and religion sagan reached 500 million people with his shows basically sagan is the chuck norris of science communication no one seems to have added that the world has moved on when sagan at his peak there were three television stations in the uk it s common for a british household to have hundreds now i don t know how dramatic the change has been in america also there s additional factors like the rise of the web broadcasting is now sat alongside many to many communication these days niche programming is the norm and people will search out the niches they want i d like to say the 60s and 70s were a golden age of communication with people like jacob bronowski or james burke being appreciated for their masterful performances of scientific poetry yet i can t help wondering if one of the reasons many people watched was because the only alternative was having a conversation with their partner there s no longer one audience there s many anyone arguing that there is just the one true way to reach those audiences is only going to satisfy one audience for instance some other people have held up gould as a comparison to dawkins gould really doesn t move me but then i have no interest in baseball i d hope there s room for a more internationalist approach to science communication than americans communicating exclusively with americans britons with britons and so on it s yet another layer of complexity that s why i m wary of mooney and kirshenbaum s criticisms of strongly atheist science communciation but equally it also means that rejecting some communicators because they re appeasers is going to miss some of the public if we want scientific societies and academia to support communication then acknowledging the important of diversity would be helpful sorry for the lack of links i ve cobbled this together at the last minute because what i had was far worse and even longer to make a simple point i ll try and add more links in tomorrow s entry where i ll try and make a positive case for ignoring religious sensitivities or even challenging them in science communication 1 comment from blogging religion science vidi the past july 17 2009 this is a test of the new bookmarking script i m working on it it works then it should collect links during the week and then compile them into one post on a friday mike pitts digging deeper mike pitts author of hengeworld editor of british archaeology and all round archaeological whirlwind is now blogging his site is definitely something you d want to add to your rss reader ancient boat reveals shipbuilding skills of java s seafarers the jakarta post this is deeply cool the problem with a lot of marine archaeology is that it s either out at sea where it s hard to find or else it rots the yogyakarta archaeology center has been working on a largely intact boat found in indonesia dating from the 6th or 7th century durango herald news chimney rock chaco or not via david meadow s explorator the same person who runs roge classicism there s new exacavations at chimney rock it s an important site in southwestern us archaeoastronomy but is it tied to the chaco culture governor eliminates michigan dept of history arts and libraries crain s detroit business it s looks like michigan will be feeling the effects of this recession for a long while yet there s not just the loss of services in this cut if there s big savings to be made then there ll be a big start up cost if the department is revived when the economy can support it abnormal interests have a snake problem try prayer a translation of a babylonian text may have implications for interpretation of the bible awol the ancient world online open access journal illinois classical studies illinois classical studies is now open with a moving wall it makes it an attracive journal to publish in i d point at some articles but i haven t had time to browse it this week frog in a well the japan history group blog frog in a well which comes in three flavours continues to show that history of east asia is at an exciting place at the moment the archaeology of the mediterranean world reflecting on academic blogging at 500 posts t he arrival of academic blogging does provide a kind of stable middle ground between the open seminar or the half baked conference paper and the journal article i think academic blogs as perpetual conferences would be an interesting model the history in historical archaeology campus archaeology program why historical archaeologists aren t historians pop classics carry on cleo dir gerald thomas 1964 the classic possibly even definitive screen treatment of cleopatra is examined at pop classics british classicists are a lot more intelligible after seeing this historical epic dear editor mike pitts digging deeper editing a letters page for a magazine can be frustrating past preservers do you want to appear on a major new tv show with dr zahi hawass i considered applying for this a while back i decided not to because it would break my tv boycott but it does look tempting illicit cultural property francesco rutelli on the euphronios krater the krater has been repatriated but is that a win for studying history interview mark parker pearson on the stonehenge riverside project discoveries heritage key an interview with the head honcho of the stonehenge riverside project mike parker pearson heritage key is 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